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[Quote]The admittedly non-canon Spaceflight Chronology, an official tie-in with TMP, says this was not a sublight ship, but a Declaration-class starliner with a cruising speed of Warp 3.2.[End Quote]

hmmmmm. A starliner named Enterprise. Wheather this info is correct or not, the ring ship was the ONLY enterprise that was cruising the galaxy before TOS. Unless Bermen decides to destroy more Star Trek continuity. A 'prequil' series would HAVE to take place on this ship. But a super slow, apparently non-starfleet (I'm assuming it's non-starfleet because it doesn't have any starfleet markings. IE: a registry number.) starliner? *sigh* That would be kinda lame.

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Erm.

Could someone tell me where someone says, "this is the only previous starship Enterprise?"

Or, did you forget the NASA shuttle Enterprise? God-damn NASA, destroying Star Trek continuity! The BASTARDS!

You guys must've had a fit when Saavik was played by two different people. Or the Klingon ship's bridge changed between III & IV.

Chill.

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I meant before TOS, but after 'real' modern time. As for the changing Klingon bridges and two different Romulans played by the same guy; I really don't gave a rat's ass about that.

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It's not necessarily the "only" one. There's actually a precedent.

The TNG bas-relief went from nuclear carrier to Constitution. No shuttle, not ringship, nothing. Nothing before the carrier, either. So fidget room exists.

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No. That's not true. In ST: TMP you can see a wall in the rec-room that had pictures and presumably brief histories of all the previous Enterprises that came before the NCC-1701. There was the Aircraft carrier Enterprise, The Space shuttle Enterprise, The "Ring ship" Enterprise, and the NCC-1701 herself. If there was another Enterprise, wouldn't it have showed up on the rec-room exhibit? I would think so.

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What he's saying is that the TNG wall display excluded the sailing ship, space shuttle, and ring ship. So, why couldn't there have been ships that the TMP display excluded?

As a matter of fact, the US navy has had two aircraft carriers named Enterprise. So the CV-6 (the original non-nuclear carrier) is already missing from the TMP display. Who knows what else might be...?

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A brigantine, a bark, & Masao's Yorktown-class carrier. That's just the USS Enterprises, mind you; there have been some HMS Enterprise as well.

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I'll change my sig.

Anyway could it be possible that Starfleet did build a another Enterprise before the TOS version? Of course the ship will have a different number possibly in the three digit range. This is possible because why would anyone count that ship as being THE newest Enteprise anyway. In that same REC room they don't have the other carrier Enteprise, which in my opinion is a more famous one than the nuclear one.

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It's been a long time since I last watched TMP and I really don't want to haul out the laserdisc (bastards aren't going to make me shell out again for DVD copies). But I could have sworn there was some kind of sailing vessel in the display.

In OUR history, CV 6 had a more distinguished history than CVN 65. No telling in the Trek universe. 65 would have been still in service during the Eugenics War and possibly World War III and might have racked up a very impressive combat record.

I was always under the impression that the Klingon bridge changed because Scotty was one goddamn miracle worker.

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*sigh* whatever. In all honesty I'm trying to build a false world for myself. A world where series 5 ISN'T a prequil series. Eventhough it hasn't been confirmed to be a prequil series, I have this sinking feeling that it is. So please let me live on in my dream world. *sniff. sob.*

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Chen: Yes, there was.

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Here are my thoughts on the previous Enterprises debate. Neither the mural in the Enterprise-D observation lounge nor the picture alcove in the recreation room on the refit Enterprise are wholly correct.

As has been pointed out earlier, the Enterprise-D's mural had an Enterprise-C that differed fairly significantly from the actual Ambassador class model. In addition, it neglected the "Declaration class" starliner and the NASA space shuttle. The refit Enterprise's pictures showed the aircraft carrier, shuttle, starliner, and original Enterprise.

However, the Enterprise has a proud history as wooden naval vessels. http://home.att.net/~enterprise1701d/sailships/ is a list and description of some of the early sailing ships named Enterprise. None of these were ever illustrated on the mural or pictures (although one was portrayed in the holodeck scene of Star Trek: Generations).

I'm mentioning this to make the point that the possibility of a pre-TOS/pre-Starfleet Enterprise that is not a "Declaration class" starliner existing is plausible. We've never had anyone sit down and completely list all the Enterprises of history anywhere in Star Trek.

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In addition to Siegfried's and others' listings, there's a third aircraft carrier Enterprise missing from the displays - the one that we saw in ST4. It definitely wasn't CV-6 nor CVN-65, but a CVN of a fictional type.

I think I once suggested this already, but I think the TMP display could be "grouped". Each of those five display screens could be more than an inert painting. Instead, each would portray the full histories of ships named Enterprise and belonging to a certain category. The first one would display sailing ships Enterprise. The second one would display modern warships Enterprise, including the three carriers and possible other seagoing modern Enterprises. The third one would display primitive spacecraft Enterprise, including the space shuttle and potential other craft. The fourth display would then show advanced spacecraft Enterprise, including the ring ship plus umpteen others. And finally, the fifth display would show the first starship Enterprise, before her refit.

The level of detail would increase display by display, while the number of vessels would decrease - from the dozens of sailing ships in the first display to the single starship in the fifth.

And the previous user of this display had simply left it so that the fourth screen displayed the ring ship, instead of the soon-to-become-famous hero ship of Series VI.

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Yeah...the ST4 carrier was actually USS Ranger (CV-61), a Forrestal-class conventionally-powered carrier.

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Maybe Starfleet decided that Series V was crap and covered the entire existence of the new old Enterpise up.

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