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Siggie's right, I remember now. The Endeavour in FC was going to be a new ship, but it was never built or put in the film. So, the bit about the Endeavour came to be associated w/ the Nebula-class. (IIRC, this was later backed up by "Scorpion" [VGR])
General Veers, the Lexington was mentioned in the radio chatter, reporting 96 dead and 22 wounded. So I think this must be the Lexington.
TSN, I think the Excelsior-class Farragut was in service by the time of FC, but I can't be sure...
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Yeah, but she and the endeavour were the only Nebbies there. We know it wasn't intended to be the E, so it must be the L. Maybe the damage was concentrated in the rear, or it was something internal, or something.
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I would also like to point that there is still some debate over whether the ship in question is the Lexington or Lexicon. Apparently, some of the closed-captioning for First Contact had "Lexicon" written across the screen.
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My DVD says LEXINGTON. Also, that's how we got the USS Madison, commanded by Cmdr. Luxby. Said it in the closed captioning
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I think LEXICON was just from what people heard, like MANSON. But both closed-captions and script said LEXINGTON and MADISON. The latter, I believe, are both correct.
And now I'm pretty sure that the Nebbie must be the Lexington.
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The Endeavor couldn't have been Admiral Hayes' flagship -- the first sentence of the radio chatter said "Flagship to Endeavor... stand by to engage at..."
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I was just bringing up the backstory and previous arguments we've had on this board about the First Contact battle scene. I felt that the information was pertinent to the discussion.
IIRC, there were two shots of DS9 after the battle in SofA. One ws from Way of the Warrior. I assume you mean the other one. I think it showed DS9 with a Nebula apparently docked at one of the outer rings. It's a near stationary shot, so it's almost certainly the physical model.
I meant if they had a CGI Nebbie, they'd have used it in the battle scenes in SofA, which were pretty much ALL CGI. There was none.
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Here's what I think now. It's most likely to be Endeavour as from the radio chatter, it's certainly not the flagship. The Lexington already has numerous crew injuries and deaths and so would already be damaged in a few places (doubtful if it was only confined to the aft). It's most likely the physical model as it looks like the CGI version had not yet been made. However, I no longer think it's still labelled as the Farragut. I believe it's labelled as the Leeds because after "Generations", the model was hauled out and relabelled as the Leeds for the new opening sequence for DS9's 4th season when Worf first appears. (Was it Okuda that said the Nebbie was the Leeds?) Remember, FC takes place after "Way of the Warrior", which was the season premiere for the 4th season. Of course, it's also possible that the labels were removed and no new labels were applied, but previous model appearances don't indicate that. (i.e. Hood still labelled as Excelsior, or Tsiolkovsky still labelled as Grissom.)
And now that I think on it, it doesn't even have to be the Endeavour. It actually could be the Leeds. There's no evidence to say that she wasn't there. The name may not have been in dialog or the rest of the script, but there's no evidence that places the Leeds elsewhere at the time.
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