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It was Okuda who revealed the identity of the Leeds, I believe. But I think it's been in the DS9 credits right from the start, the presence of a Nebula docked with the station has always been there.
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Argh.. I typed this response without reading the second and third pages, so forgive the needless repetition.
Point the first: I'm almost positive it's physical. As noted by pretty much everyone, the Nebbie wasn't CGI'ed until "Waltz" to serve as the Honshu.
Point the second: Considering that at the time the model went off-duty and did the exhibition circuit it was labelled as the Leeds (IIRC this is where the name first cropped up, with confirmation that the model had indeed been labelled as such for the DS9 opening credits coming later) and that the VFX work for the DS9 credits was done between Generations and First Contact, this Nebbie almost has to be the Leeds, no? It seems unlikely it would be relabeled for what is essentially a "cameo" role in First Contact and then be labelled back to what it had been before and sent out to the exhibitions, with nobody even knowing whether the ships had even appeared onscreen as the Leeds in the first place...
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After watching the battle, I think the Nebula is the USS Leeds.
There has been a question about the identity of the Miranda Class starship in Generations. If we assume that the Miranda or Mirandas seen in First Contact are this model, we may have a slight lead.
As the USS Defiant approaches the Borg cube, we see in the northeast corner of the screen a lone Miranda. This ship is seen from the bottom. She makes a run at the Borg cube, fires weapons, turns to her port, and retreats. I have this much of her registry: NCC-xxxxx. Can we get a high-resolution picture of this ship? Thank you.
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The last use of the Miranda had been in WotW, (yikes, they must have restored the Saratoga-modification to the original configuration for just that one weeny shot) so I imagine again its got the same markings as whatever that ship had...
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Spike, On another thread, a person write that high resolution threads were possible on DVD. This ship appears in Chapter 4, 2.16 to 2.18.
When the person, you or someone else does the 'capture', look at the right edge of the screen. You will see a Miranda Class starship speed to the Borg ship, turn to the port, and head off from the battle in an oblique angle. The registry is briefly visible at 2.18.
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Spike, On another thread, a person write that high resolution scans were possible on DVD. This ship appears in Chapter 4, 2.16 to 2.18.
When the person, you or someone else does the 'capture', look at the right edge of the screen. You will see a Miranda Class starship speed to the Borg ship, turn to the port, and head off from the battle in an oblique angle. The registry is briefly visible at 2.18.
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I know which Miranda but I need some advice to make a usefull screenshot. Usually I use the screenshot-tool of my DVD-Player, but those screenshots look like that: http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/fc_miranda.jpg
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The last thing that the physical Nebula model was known to be labeled with is U.S.S. Leeds NCC-70352, from the fourth and fifth season DS9 opening credits. So, if the FC ship is the physical model, it will be the Leeds. However, are we absolutely sure it's not CGI, because that would make sense, seeing as how most of the other ships from FC (Akira, Saber, Steamrunner, Norway, Ent-E [In some shots], Defiant [same], and possibly Miranda) were CGI. But, if you're correct about the CGI Nebbie first appearing as the Honshu, then that theory is out.
In any case, the ship in question is supposed to represent the Lexington, I believe.
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Mim, in your opinion, it's the Lexington, but so far there's no evidence to say it has to be Lexington or Endeavour. In fact, from what we can deduce, it's the Leeds. There's no info that says that the Leeds could not have been there.
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Background In "Interface", the USS Hera has 300 crew members. An encyclopedia entry identifies this ship as Nebula Class.
First Contact In the first minutes of battle, the USS Lexington, a Nebula Class starship, suffered casualities: Dead-99 Wounded-42 ------------------ Total-141
This is 47% of her crew that were either dead or wounded. Lexington was frelled and couldn't the party at Earth.
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300 for a Nebbie??? If the thing must have very nearly the same internal volume and how the hell do they have 700 less people? BTW - fewer decks my ass.
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Ok, I've got an image of the Miranda-class from the DVD, but I don't know how to show it here: Can someone contact me, so I can send you the picture and you post it in this forum?
As you will see, the regestry number is not clearly visiby, but in my opinion, there are only 4 digits on the hull. And, the warp nacelles are not glowing.
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Who said the Hera was fully manned? Just because on nebbie has that number of people aboard, doesn't mean they all do. Point in case the U.S.S. Grissom NCC-42857 was an excelsior-class ship, which is alot smaller than a Nebula & had a few thousand aboard as I recall.
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