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Starship Salvage Ops
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I have had this book for a number of years and consider it a very informative volume for ships during the post TOS and current TMP era. It is well written, illustrated, and very technical in it's descriptions of various systems. There are also descriptions of the political and procurement situations of the time that make for very interesting and believable reading.

Why is this volume not considered canon for the era for which it is written? There seems to be little information on ships, or the fleet in general for this era.

Does anyone else have this book? Any comments on the book?

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MinutiaeMan
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Uh, if that's the book I'm thinking of, then maybe it's not canon because it was written by a bunch of fans without official recognition from Paramount? [Roll Eyes]

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Starship Salvage Ops
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So if it's not blessed by Paramount it can't possibly have ever happened.

[Roll Eyes]

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That's the definition of canon.

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Jason Abbadon
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That explains why all my fanfic bible stories are generally met with disdain by the Roman Catholic Church.

That, and Jesus finally gets some tail.

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AndrewR
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quote:
Originally posted by Starship Salvage Ops:
So if it's not blessed by Paramount it can't possibly have ever happened.

[Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by Topher:
That's the definition of canon.

No it's not.

Canon is if it has appeared on TV or at the Movies and is live-action. Except for "Yesteryear" of TAS - as it has a lot of Spock back-story.

Supposedly GR said V and parts of VI weren't canon - but that's silly.

**Most of the wierdness of V can be explained away as a dream sequence starting just after the 'big three' go to bed - and returning to "real life" when we see them at the end.**

That means the novels *excluding Jeri Taylor's Mosaic and Pathways (both good books), what ever of Franz Josef's that hasn't appeared on TV/Film, all the computer games, all the role-playing and card games etc. aren't canon.

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"...excluding Jeri Taylor's Mosaic and Pathways..."

Or so says Jeri Taylor. Who doesn't really count.

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AndrewR
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I read that it was in numerous sources. Plus Jeri Taylor is/was an exec producer/creator of VOY.

The thing is those books wouldn't have needed to have been written if they had actually delved into the characters and fleshed them out.

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From the Star Trek website:

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How do the Star Trek novels and comic books fit into the Star Trek universe?

As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action episodes and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines, characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional novels, the Animated Adventures, and the various comic lines are not canon.

There are a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters. (Note: There are a few details from an episode of the Animated Adventures that have entered into the Star Trek canon. The episode "Yesteryear," written by D.C. Fontana, features some biographical background on Spock.)

Of course, this is all conditional on whether you consider this a definitive statement or not.
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Crimony! Are we having the canon discussion again!?!

There seriously needs to be a "newbie pack" or link that includes instructions on how to use the search, where to post what, what is spam, a link to all 150 discussions on what is and is not canon, and, of course 50 complimentary gaming tokens! [Big Grin]

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Simon was working on that once. Then he began to take the world by storm, and coldly abandoned it. Curses.
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MinutiaeMan
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Well, we wouldn't want to make a "newbie pack" available anyway -- then we'd lose Flare's trademark warm welcome for new members! [Razz]

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Lee
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Ooh, my ears are burning. . .

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I am thrilled and scared that Tim is on my side here, but...

The Taylor books had a certain degree of "canonicity" when she wrote them, simply because she was in charge of the show. When she left, the writers had no reason to follow what she had written in the books. And apparently some of them didn't. I don't know, because I never read them.

But the reason why the Okuda and Sternbach tech stuff is (hnng) semi-canon isn't because of some divine power that they have. It's simply because the writers went to them for tech problems, and they took the stuff from what they had already written. The same thing would have happened (presumably) with Voyager, with Taylor corrected and adding bits of Janeway's past to stories. Until she left. Then it stopped. Hooray!

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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by Lee:
Ooh, my ears are burning. . .

I told you that lighting Q-Tips was a bad idea...

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