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Shik
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Leondegrance doesn't count. It's contradictory bullshit.

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Lee
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How so?

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Shik
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Mainly it being yet another Eavesian reuse, as anachronistic as DSC ships in the Picard time.

Also, I hate the idea because it's dumb. So mote it be.

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Dukhat
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I accept the existence of the Leondegrance, but I rationalize the depiction of the ship on that award as just a generic representation of a starship and not what the Leondegrance actually looked like.

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Shik
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I will accept your rationalization, although I do not accept its existence as far as my project is concerned.

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I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Picard takes place in the Discovery timeline, which is absolutely not the prime timeline, so there really isn't anything for it to contradict.
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Dukhat
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The thing is, there's nothing at all in PIC that links it to DSC other than the hologram of the Discoprise seen when Picard enters Starfleet Command, which immediately then morphs into a Galaxy class starship. The Discoprise does not have a name or registry, so for all we know, it's just another unknown ship class in the prime universe, and not the TOS Constitution class. Someone over at TrekBBS hypothesized that the holograms were actually representing the Yamato's lineage, and that the first ship was the Yamato NCC-1305. I can buy that.

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Shik
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Man, that's like GOP levels of rationalization right there. (The Yamato thing, not your post)

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quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
The thing is, there's nothing at all in PIC that links it to DSC other than the hologram of the Discoprise seen when Picard enters Starfleet Command, which immediately then morphs into a Galaxy class starship. The Discoprise does not have a name or registry, so for all we know, it's just another unknown ship class in the prime universe, and not the TOS Constitution class. Someone over at TrekBBS hypothesized that the holograms were actually representing the Yamato's lineage, and that the first ship was the Yamato NCC-1305. I can buy that.

And how about the shuttles?
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Dukhat
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quote:
Originally posted by o2:
quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
The thing is, there's nothing at all in PIC that links it to DSC other than the hologram of the Discoprise seen when Picard enters Starfleet Command, which immediately then morphs into a Galaxy class starship. The Discoprise does not have a name or registry, so for all we know, it's just another unknown ship class in the prime universe, and not the TOS Constitution class. Someone over at TrekBBS hypothesized that the holograms were actually representing the Yamato's lineage, and that the first ship was the Yamato NCC-1305. I can buy that.

And how about the shuttles?
They look coincidentally like DSC shuttles but can’t possibly be the same, as the DSC shuttles would be 150 years old at that point. It’s like that K’T’inga they used in an episode of ENT: just ignore the similarities.

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Dukhat
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quote:
Originally posted by Shik:
Man, that's like GOP levels of rationalization right there. (The Yamato thing, not your post)

Actually, my theory (since you can see 1701-D on the Galaxy class hologram, invalidating the Yamato theory) is that the hologram represented Federation flagships. Since the Enterprise-D was the only ship canonically referred to as the Federation's flagship, I theorize that the other ship was a former Federation flagship of an unknown class circa the 2200's.

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Lee
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The display could be on a random loop, and serendipitously just happened to flick to the E-D at that moment. Such coincidences do happen, however much one may scoff at such things happening in fiction. So, nah, I’m not going to worry too much about that other ship being the E-nil and/or Discoprise.

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It requires far too much in the way of mental gymnastics to keep STP in the STOU.

Indeed, rather than assert that they used Discovery assets out of laziness, it's probably more fair to say that they've used unmodified TNG assets* out of laziness . . . no one had a Fuller-esque visual (and more) reboot in mind.

(* ... except insofar as they can't get a single TNG- or STFC-style uniform to fit anyone properly... )

Indeed, one could argue that they intentionally avoided the "visual reboot" element, even as they rebooted the universe intentionally or otherwise . . . after all, they'd have figured first-run TOS nostalgiacs are old and useless so they could screw with it, but TNG nostalgiacs are still a thing.

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Lee
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So on what basis then are you saying PIC is in an alternate reality?

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quote:
The thing is, there's nothing at all in PIC that links it to DSC other than the hologram of the Discoprise seen when Picard enters Starfleet Command
What about Dahj's Xahean boyfriend?

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