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Why on. . . well, I guess Earth is inappropriate here; what's the basis for saying Grevious can use the force? There's nothing to suggest that.
Unless it is in some cartoon somewhere, or a comic book, or on the back of a branded vomit bag.
(There's an argument to be made that sequel/prequels constitute their own particular media experience, unified and indivisible. If I go see Action Film 1, I'm clearly in the market for the Action Film experience. That doesn't mean I'm going to be at all interested in consuming Action Film 1: The Kabuki. I might not like Kabuki, no matter how many of my favorite characters show up. Moreover, no, I don't like it when movies ((or novels, where this is far more prevalent)) do not function as complete stories on their own. The only person I know who did not like Batman Begins did not like it because he felt it was two hours of setup with no resolution. ((I disagreed.)))
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: "Some dude" who's particularly proficient with the Force, I should think. All the metal bits do is let him fight with four arms, or stick to magnets, or whatever. His ability to not be immediately destroyed when fighting a Jedi is, presumably, something he already had before he was cyborgified.
Actually he's completely incapable of using the force, his proficiency with the lightsabre is only because of his cyborg body. Given that there are many training droids with lightsabres in the EU material it's not so surprising that Grievous could wield 6 at once. Slightly silly when he floats about with them in his feet...
Oh and Mace Windu is the cause of his cough, in the second sries of CW he force-pushes Grievous armour plating into his internal organs severely damaging them; further this slows his movements and reactions explaining why he was so bitchified during his fight with Kenobi, with that information we can all fully enjoy his worthwhile and valuable contribution to the plot of Ep. III...
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I was always under the impression that only Jedi could use lightsabers, cos they "...has the ability to see things before they happen. It's a Jedi trait." says Qui-Gon of young Anakin. So, with the 'ninjas-on-speed' approach Lucas has taken to lightsaber fighting in the new movies, wouldn't that ability be a pre-requisite?
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In the movie, Grevious says he's been trained in the in either the Jedi Arts or the Jedi Fighting... something. He's refering to the fact that Dooku trained him in lightsaber technique as seen in the Clone Wars cartoon. I don't think either the cartoon or the movie make it clear whether or not he has Force abilities or not, though.
He seems to rely on pure saber fighting, and doesn't throw people around using anything other than his arms and legs. This could be because the Jedi are blocking his attempts to use the Force against them in that way, much as they would with any other Force user, or it could be because he can't use the Force.
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I'd go with the later option, you see in his backstory, he was just an ordinary guy fighting in a war between his race and some other race, the Jedi sided with the other race making the Kaleesh (Grievous' folks) rather angry, he was not a force user before his 'accident' at the hands of the Separatists and given Lucas' explanation that losing limbs lowered Anakin's force potential, I'd think losing every part of his body apart from the eyes, brain and internal organs would render Grievous pretty much useless with the force. Lightsabre technique could easily be picked up by an advanced mechanical creature, so why not a cyborg that's mostly robot anyways?
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Under the paragraph on 'Talents' the wikipedia doesn't usually just make stuff up out of thin air, especially things that could be easily refutted by speaking to the source of the info (Lucas in this case).
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Interesting to note though, that even in the cartoon where Big G was a super psycho Jedi slaughtering machine, he was still no match for Dooku.
Well, he said that Doou was the one who trained him, so that might make a measure of sense.
As for the loss limbs affecting force-potential, I too had this thought. It actually occurred to me just from having watched the films, although I get the impression that there are also EU materials supporting this as well. (The Visual Dictionary note regarding Vader's non-use of force lightning, mentioned in another thread, for one.) Nonetheless, Wikipedia is not a particularly solid source to cite.
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Yes, it makes sense that he was no match for Dooku, but I guess my point was that as deadly as he was, there were still Jedi and Sith who could've taken him out, even before he was injured.
"A powerful computer coupled to a competent sensor system should do the trick just as well, I think."
A computer with sensors could see something before it happens? Those are some damn fine sensors, sir.
And while turning on a ligtsaber and cutting things with it may not require the Force, I believe the point is that, in order to hold your own in an all-out lightsaber battle against a Jedi, you'll need a little more ability than Han exhibited against the dead taun-taun.
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