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Malnurtured Snay
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2. The RotJ novelization is clear that the Empire died:

"The Empire is dead. Long live the Alliance."

A sentence in a novelization? The notion that the Empire died with the Emperor was complete hogwash in the Expanded Universe which, until Disney took over the franchise, Lucas smiled upon. Also, to be frank, there's actually no specific evidence that the Empire still exists. Stormtroopers in their initial form served the Republic - perhaps if there is a New Republic, Stormtroopers serve it again.

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I would be a little worried that during the reign of the Empire the stormtroopers as presented in the original trilogy would have become a symbol of oppression and hate; I would hope that the leaders of the New Republic would re-design the armour and colouring to something less objectionable.

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Jason Abbadon
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For all we know, the guy in the Stormtrooper armor was attending a costume party at the casino built on the site of Jabba's former palace.

Maybe he's Lando's kid working undercover for Luke.

Maybe he got ordered to comb the desert...and is deserting.

I think it unlikely that the New Republic (or whatever it's called in the JJverse) retains Stormtroopers- the entire name was an obvious Nazi comparison and really, they look like skeletons and have jack for visibility in those goofy helmets.

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As confirmed in the recent Disney announcement regarding the new Disney canon, Lucas always considered the EU to be a separate "parallel universe" just like Roddenberry regarding Trek books. The difference was that Roddenberry killed the continuing separate storyline idea whereas that was the EU's claim to fame.

Meanwhile, he line-edited the novelizations.

Certainly it seems improper to imagine stormtroopers showing up seconds after the galaxy-wide celebrations Lucas added to RotJ.

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Jason Abbadon
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I think Disney is full of shit- I got to talk with Timothy Zahn back in July at Megacon and he told me about Lucas' input to his Thrawn trilogy (I was getting my hardcovers signed).

I think Disney dropped the EU solely for control issues- no paying royalties to all those authors- and it cut Dark Horse Comics out as well as Disney moves the comics over to Marvel.

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Unless the books are going out of publication, royalties will still have to be paid. My impression, though, was that royalties were paid by the publisher, who pays a licensing fee to Lucasfilm or Disney or whoever. And didn't Dark Horse get dropped because Disney owns Marvel?

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In fairness to Disney (hah!), the EU was getting a bit unwieldy when they tried to factor in the prequels. Zahn had to retcon a lot of his stories to make them fit, especially "Outbound Flight," one of the last SW novels I've read. And when I re-read the first Thrawn trilogy a year ago, I was a bit bummed how many good details were completely ruined by the later movies (like who the clones were fighting for).

There was no way they could reasonably make a new movie without ignoring a lot of the EU stuff that came before. And many, many fans have never read a single novel or comic anyway.

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Jason Abbadon
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I'm not saying they needed to make direct movie translations of the books or comics, but when you consider the huuuuge amount of characters and ships and technology they'll have to never again mention, the loss is certainly the fan's.

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
I think Disney is full of shit- I got to talk with Timothy Zahn back in July at Megacon and he told me about Lucas' input to his Thrawn trilogy (I was getting my hardcovers signed).

Well, as the fellow who wrote http://www.canonwars.com/ and unearthed many of the Lucas and other quotes and concepts now found on Wikipedia, I found that the Disney thing was just a new nail in a very old coffin.

I won't quote-spam you with the entire fleet of quotes behind my statement, but I will provide one of the many at http://www.canonwars.com/SWCanonquotes2.html ...

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"The Star Wars universe has expanded far beyond the movies. How much leeway do the game makers and novel writers have? "

"They have their own kind of world. There's three pillars of Star Wars. I'll probably get in trouble for this but it's OK! There's three pillars: the father, the son and the holy ghost. I'm the father, Howard Roffman [president of Lucas Licensing] is the son and the holy ghost is the fans, this kind of ethereal world of people coming up with all kinds of different ideas and histories. Now these three different pillars don't always match, but the movies and TV shows are all under my control and they are consistent within themselves. Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it's hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there's the TV show and then there's all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn't have anything to do with each other. So I said, "OK, go ahead." In the early days I told them that they couldn't do anything about how Darth Vader was born, for obvious reasons, but otherwise I pretty much let them do whatever they wanted. They created this whole amazing universe that goes on for millions of years!"

"Are you happy for new Star Wars tales to be told after you're gone?"

"I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."

- George Lucas, Flannelled One, May 2008, "George Lucas", 'TF Interview', Total Film Magazine



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Jason Abbadon
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Well, we know that part about the explicit instruction for no new movies to be crap- obviously.

Lucas has stretched the truth about things like supposedly having planned for Luke and Leia to be siblings.

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"...the huuuuge amount of characters and ships and technology they'll have to never again mention..."

Surely, there's a difference between "have to never mention" and "never have to mention". They're under zero obligation to ever pay the slightest attention to anything from the novels, games, etc., but they could also still pick anything they want from those sources and introduce it into the canon.

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Not crap, just changed. Sweetened the pot for Disney, I am sure.

And while Lucas has shown a certain lack of consistency over the years with the number of films he envisioned (3/9/6/12/9/12/3/6/3/6/9), I rather doubt he was consistently lying for decades about viewing the EU as an "other", "separate", "parallel universe".

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Originally posted by Guardian 2000:
Not crap, just changed. Sweetened the pot for Disney, I am sure.

And while Lucas has shown a certain lack of consistency over the years with the number of films he envisioned (3/9/6/12/9/12/3/6/3/6/9), I rather doubt he was consistently lying for decades about viewing the EU as an "other", "separate", "parallel universe".

I can see that POV for everything except the original Zahn trilogy (which the rest of the EU spawned from).
Lucas was at least indirectly involved with those novels- offering suggestions or what have you.
Remember that Lucas had, before then, shot down proposals for any new SW anything.

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"...the huuuuge amount of characters and ships and technology they'll have to never again mention..."

Surely, there's a difference between "have to never mention" and "never have to mention". They're under zero obligation to ever pay the slightest attention to anything from the novels, games, etc., but they could also still pick anything they want from those sources and introduce it into the canon.

I should have said "they'll never be ABLE to mention again"

Stuff all the EU ships and characters like Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Grand Admiral Thrawn, the Vong, the slaver aliens from Truce at Bakura, all the new Jedi, Solo's kids, the list of stuff now off-limits goes on and on and it's inevitible that any new stories (or scenes) will draw comparisons from a story for scene from EU.

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What? *removes headphones* Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sweet jizz pouring into my ears, Max Rebo and the Modal Nodes laying it on me real thick! So spunky. I even got a Jizz-box for christmas, to store it all in.
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