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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

This is a post in the memory of America's son, John F. Kennedy, Jr.
From the day his father died, we all saw that young lad. Saluting the American flag, we all embraced him as our own. Never before has a country cared so much for a president's child, and maybe never again.

Please join with me in a moment of reflection on another one of America's most famous families.

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

The only comfort I can find in myself is that God must have had a purpose for it..... it was thier time. Still, that does nothing for the sorrow of this country or the Kennedy/Besset family. *says many prayers for them all*

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

A plane carrying two men from Alaska disappeared near Ellensburg today. Who are they? I have no idea.

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Posted by Jaresh Inyo on :

I tend to agree. This is tragic, but tragedy strikes everyday. I feel much worse for the people who die and are not commended. I frankly don't get the whole mystique around the Kennedys.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Ok, so here is a fellow that does not have a full pilot's licence or instrument rated and therefor should be flying using visual flight rules (i.e. not and night and not in hazy conditions). He is flying at night in these conditions over water with no flotation devices (or so the news is reporting). Tragedies happen, that is true; however, poor judgement and unskilled mistakes can be avoided.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

It is sad that someone who was so admired by so many had to die because he did everything wrong. Sorry, folks, but all the flying magazines are gonna use this one as an example of what not to do.

He originally wanted to fly over land but (according to one report I heard) his wife wanted to give her sister a lift to Hyannis port. He had very little time on this type of aircraft and would have been considered wise to postpone the flight until conditions had improved. He allowed time pressures (and perhaps his wife's desire to give her sister a lift) to over-ride his judgement. He may have even felt his masculinity was on the line, though we may never know.

He took a type of plane he was newly certified on and flew it in conditions he had little experience with. He flew at night, over water, in poor weather. He and two others are dead. The tragedy lies in the fact that they could have avoided this fate if they had not been in some sort of hurry.

My sympathy is reserved mainly for the survivors. As I am not a follower of Kennedy exploits (except for the ones they can't keep out of the media), could someone tell me if RFK Jr. had any kids? What about the sister-in-law? Was she married? Was she someone's mom? She was certainly someone's daughter.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Let me clarify; I hold no ill will towards the Kennedys. I don't even mind all the news coverage, really. I mean, people like celebrities. But I heard that story while I was out and about today, and it seemed to have an odd sort of cosmic connection to it.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

His mother and father had magic. I felt it, and I don't remember his father. Most people who do remember, cared deeply for those two kids. I watched them grow up as I was growing up. I feel bad for Caroline. She is the last of he family.

Baloo: As far as I know, there were no kids involved. JFK Jr and wife didn't have any, none have been mentioned in the sisters case. Caroline has two, I think.

He was at least the third Kennedy to die in an air crash. An Aunt and an Uncle before him, his father and Uncle were asasinated. Ted was in a plane crash in the 60's, and recieved a broken back. One cousin died of a drug OD. another in a sking accident.

I started out with a fasination with the asasination of JFK, and became a fan of the man and his ideals. The one thing he did that impressed me the most, was that he learned from his mistakes. That's something you can't say for a lot of US presidents. Most of them believe they are god by the time they get into office.

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

Seeing that little boy salute (no doubt because he was told to) makes me sick. It's not the military please.
Saluting the flag is the most preposterous thing I'know of.

JFK: I'm really sorry the guy's dead, but does he really deserve this amount of attention outside of the US?

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

All three bodies were found today.

RW; If you watch the whole piece of film, you see his mother whisper to him just before he steps forward.
The President is the head of the military.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I've heard a lot of truly preposterous things in my life, such as **appropriate Netherlandish examples deleted, I don't want this going to the flameboard** but saluting your flag (and by extension, the people who fought and died to keep you free under it) is not one of them.

And yes, the president IS considered the commander-in-chief of the US's armed forces, (even if he does little or no actual commanding) so saluting HIM is appropriate as well.

We'll never know for sure whether he was prompted or not, or just imitating the soldiers. I've heard it both ways, from people I'm just as sure don't really know either.

As for JFK Jr: I'm sorry he's dead, he seemed like that rare thing nowadays, an OK Kennedy, but he died doing something, probably a series of somethings, that was spectacularly stupid for a man of his age and experience. You DON'T fly a plane under those conditions, especially if you're wearing a cast.

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

Saluting a piece of cloth is the last thing I'll ever do. OK? Especially for my country, which I do not love unreservedly nor hate with all my guts. And I will make sure I'll never die for it. I pay my taxes and stuff, but if they expect me to do everything I can do for my country, no. Why should I? And definitely NOT for that queen. I may sound like a fuckhead but you better get used to it, for I am a fuckhead indeed. So.

And what are those stupid Dutch things you heard of? And why do you assume that I agree with them (otherwise you would not have made that remark?)

Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

I'd like to add, children doing military stuff is more something for Germany some decades ago. Oh no wait, it's called patriotism.

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Posted by Jaresh Inyo on :

I'd just like to mention that it was patriots who stopped those Germans from a few decades ago, liberating your country in the process. My grandfather was honoured by Holland for his services, along with many other Canadian veterns. Do you think they were over there fighting because they had nothing better to do?

Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

Ha! True! But, did they die for their country?

I don't bother anymore, I'm bad at discussions.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

'S'okay, Jaresh...

*kidnaps RW and sets him loose inside an "Aryan Nation" compound, so he can remember what it was like before the patriots he despises came along*

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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :

They told the full story last night.

At the funeral, John-John was getting restless so Mrs. Kennedy had the SS take him to the back of the church and tell him a story. (The SS officers were real close to the kids) Well, there was a Lt. Con. in the back and the SS officer asked him to tell John about the medals on his dress uniform.

Somehow (I forget) John-John saw the Lt. Con. salute someone and John Jr. tried it. The Lt. Con. corrected him (b/c his hand was not right) saying something like, "No, do it this way." When the casket was brought down the aisle Jackie told John to say bye to his daddy. He took a step out and gave a perfect salute.

According to Dateline NBC (who interviewed three Kennedy Secret Service guards) this is the first time the real story behind this event had been told! The officer who was with John when he gave the salute said he bursted into tears when he saw John Jr. do that.

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

RW: YOu do not have to be in the military to salute ANYTHING! I was never in the military, but I salute the flag every time it's raised. I salute the flag every time the national anthem is sung. Crossing your hand over the heart is fine, but I see the salute as the ultimate symbol of respect for a superior. That may mean officer, or in this case, the president. I salute the flag, because it stands for everything that is good about the country. And while you may not be a patriot, I would gladly give my life for my way of life anyday. As for the Kennedy thing, I respected Kennedy, though I was not alive. He was undeniably a good president. His ideals and goals were good and just, and someone didn't like it. His family stood for America, served America, were America. Unfortunately when you're that open to the public, tragedy strikes you that much more than the common people. That is why this string was started. That is why the press gives it so many headlines. And That is why America revolves around families like the Kennedys and the Rockefellers.

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Posted by Jaresh Inyo on :

Well, RW, I'd have to say yes, since both of Canada's coasts were put on alert for possible invasion. And German troops did land in the Canadian Arctic to set up U-Boat resupply bases there. Not to mention the Canadians who died at the hands of U-Boats, both at sea and in the Saint Lawrence. And if that doesn't count, well, then they died saving your country. Maybe that doesn't mean anything to you. But I'm with First of Two on this one.

And I'd just like to mention that I believe that a person who won't die for what he believe in obviously doesn't have much to die for anyway. I would die, even if all that my death served was to bring the enemy down to one less bullet, because that could be the bullet that kills my sister, or my parents.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Take it to the Flameboard.

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

Sorry Sol, I didn't mean for this to be a political debate, just a plain old memorial.

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Posted by Raven Rosset on :

Well, yes, it's is tragic that this man who seems to be nice and all died in a plane crash with his wife and sister-in-law.... though, as some have said, how about all these men and women dying on the road, in a plane or on a boat who have probably done community services and charity donation at some point? Are the coast guard and army have down so much for them......

Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :

The Kennedys have always served the community and have always give to charities. (?)

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

hmmmmmtrue.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Actually, according to the Coast Guard, they go through the same procedures for any plane or ship lost, "Whether he's John Kennedy or John Q. Public."

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Just to address a couple things...

First, I was under the impression that a hand-to-forehead salute was considered improper for civilians. That's why they created the hand-over-heart one. (Actually, for a while, the proper civilian salute was to raise one's arm, palm turned upward to the flag. When Hitler came to power, though, they decided it looked a bit too much like the Nazi salute, so they changed it.)

Secondly, I'm not sure what's so great about dying for one's country. I would think dying for one's morals/beliefs would be much better. People mentioned the "patriots" that won WW2. Well, a lot of the Nazis probably considered themselves "patriots", too. That doesn't make them right. I wouldn't die for the US any more than I would for Canada, England, Germany, the Netherlands, etc.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Maybe we need more countries that represent morals and beliefs.

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