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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,26,23,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:42 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Despite the inflammatory headline, I don't think the information provided at the following link will cause a brouhaha.<P> <A HREF="http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mlilith.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mlilith.html</A> <P>If anyone has objections, they are welcome to start a thread in the FlameBoard.<P>------------------<BR>Have a place for everything and keep the thing somewhere else; this is not advice, it is merely custom. <BR>-- MARK TWAIN<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/" TARGET=_blank>www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jubilee</b> <br /><small>Member # 99</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,26,23,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm not TOUCHING that one.<P>------------------<BR>"Angels, answer me,<BR> are you near if rain should fall?<BR> Am I to believe <BR> you will rise to calm the storm?<BR> For so great a treasure words will never do.<BR> Surely, if this is, promises are mine to give you.<BR> mine to give........ "<BR>~ Enya<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,0,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hm... While I find this academically intriguing, I was hoping the title was referring to Frasier's wife on <i>Cheers</i>... *L*<P>------------------<BR>"<I>Merde</I>!"<BR>-commander of Napoleon's army, upon learning that the Duke of Wellington's forces had received assistance and were requesting his surrender <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cargile</b> <br /><small>Member # 45</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,0,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> What's so bad about that?<P>I have another question: If the Lilith character is not portrayed in Genesis, then what is all the fuss about?<BR>What if was the Hera Fair instead? Would the evangelist be in a simular uproar? ("The Greek Goddess of Wisdom is damamging our Christain beliefs!")<P>To me it is all really silly. Just another reason for people to point sticks and throw rocks another group of people.<P>------------------<BR>"What is that? A tank?"<BR>--Our Lord and Savior David Koresh, the Second Coming snuffed out before He could any good. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,4,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:07 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, Athena was the Greek goddess of wisdom. Hera was the goddess of pissed off jealousy and trying to kill Hercules with big rocks. Or so I learned on TV, anyway.<P>------------------<BR>"We kid around a lot about people who are cyclopses, but seriously; if you're a mythic figure you've got challenges that no one should have to deal with." <BR>--<BR>John Flansburgh<p>[This message has been edited by Sol System (edited July 27, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Chimaera</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,10,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hmm.... A little different interpretation than the one Sarah McLachlan tells, but the concert was still very good <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>But it sounds to me that the idea of Lilith is actually a number of different legends, a demon or first wife of Adam or whatever. I'm not an expert on religion by any means, but I think you could use any interpretation of the legend you wanted to.<P>------------------<BR>"But, it was so artistically done."<BR>-Grand Admiral Thrawn<P><BR><p>[This message has been edited by Chimaera (edited July 27, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,10,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:43 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, far be it from me to disagree with the author, but MY understanding, from my readings (Demonology being a kind of hobby of mine - don't ask) is that the "rebellious female" legend does indeed PRE-Date the "murdering demon" legend, existing in the Quabbala and other Jewish apocryphal stories not included in the Bible (which is why it's not in Genesis, the codifiers declined to add it) as far back as it goes.<P>I also heard that the main problem between Lilith and Adam was that she wanted to be "on top" during sex.<P>------------------<BR>"When we turn our back on our principles, we stop being human." -- Janeway, "Equinox"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jaresh Inyo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,12,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:50 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And he had a problem with that?<P>------------------<BR>Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.<br>Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.<br>Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Saiyanman Benjita</b> <br /><small>Member # 122</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,16,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So that's who Frasier married.<P>------------------<BR>I'll get you for this Gadget!!!! MEEEEE-ROWWRRRR. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,19,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Jaresh: Apparently, Adam wasn't very bright.<P>------------------<BR>"When we turn our back on our principles, we stop being human." -- Janeway, "Equinox"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,21,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote>Eve: "Here's the fruit God forbade us to eat. Want some?"<P>Adam: "Sure! *Crunch! Slobber Gulp!* Doh!"</blockquote><P>And you women wonder why it takes us to much effort to think. Look at our genetic heritage. We haven't much of a tradition in that department.<P>--Baloo<P>------------------<BR>Have a place for everything and keep the thing somewhere else; this is not advice, it is merely custom. <BR>-- MARK TWAIN<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/" TARGET=_blank>www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cargile</b> <br /><small>Member # 45</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,22,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:10 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You are right Sol about the Athena thing.<P><BR>I think I'll form a band and go on a Baal Fair tour. I'm not sure what this means but I think GWAR would join this endeavor.<P>------------------<BR>"What is that? A tank?"<BR>--Our Lord and Savior David Koresh, the Second Coming snuffed out before He could any good. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Feste</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,27,23,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:01 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And apparently Adam was something of a wuss. To finish Baloo's script:<P>Adam: "Sure! *Crunch! Slobber Gulp* Doh!"<P>God: Okay, what did I tell you about that?<P>Adam: Don't blame me! Eve tempted me and held a snake to my head and made me do it!<P>Eve: (rolling eyes) Oh, thanks. Holy cow - we're naked! (looks closely at Adam) Ewww!<P>------------------<BR>"'I'm afraid there's nowhere for you to sit,' I said coldly; 'the verandah is full of goats.'" --Saki "The Guests"<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Feste (edited July 27, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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