[ February 16, 2002, 08:09: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
*looks at article*
Never heard of him.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
*Whew* I thought you meant the writer/director/actor Kevin Smith of Clerks, Mallrats, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back... (Smith is Silent Bob).
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I bet you think you're the ace.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
hmmm........why was he so important to you, Snay?
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
HaHa! Similar name to the famed writer of such Movies as Dogma, and of such Comics as Daredevil!
Haha!
Let us trick the unsuspectig while belittling the death or another Kevin Smith.
HaHa!
See, the realKevin Smith is not dead. Just this other guy.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
This Kevin Smith played Ares, IIRC, in all those Xena/Hercules series.
RIP.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Fuck, that's a bummer. But I gotta admit I'm relieved it's not the Kevin Smith I thought you meant. I mean, fuck, don't DO that to us, Jeff!
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
I'll drink to this Smith. He gave the goatee a nice comeback to villainhood.
Isn't Daredevil Frank Miller?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Kevin Smith is currently writing Green Arrow, not Dare Devil.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
What? I was a passing fan of Hercules (it aired before DS9).
quote:Let us trick the unsuspectig while belittling the death or another Kevin Smith.
You're an idiot. And don't you mean 'of'?
quote:See, the realKevin Smith is not dead. Just this other guy.
How is this guy *not* the "real" Kevin Smith?
You imply cruelty where none exists.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Condolences to his family and friends. RIP
But really, it's not a very important piece of news. That's like if someone who played any of the unknown redshirts in TOS had died.
Sorry, just IMHO.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I'm not a idiot. That was a little harsh. And slightly mean. I don't think. Don't get all turnip smarmy.
I merely thought you were using an unfortunate event of one person with a similar name to a much more famous and cultly revered person (not that the former wasn't a member of a show with a cult following) to trick the fans of the latter.
Only after I read, and thought about the article, and read your replies, I realized that, hey, you were serious.
And I do mean of. This keyboard is very, very wonky at times.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Well, I could've titled the thread "Kevin Smith (no, not that one) Died", but then people would think the one who hadn't died might be my neighbor (who, incidently, is named Kevin Smith). Frankly, anything with "Kevin Smith died" in the title is going to evoke the image of Silent Bob. Even "Kevin Smith from Hercules Dies!", people would've said "when did Kevin Smith who we know and love as Silent Bob do Hercules? Wow, I guess I missed that."
quote:I'm not a idiot. That was a little harsh.
Well it was just a little "harsh" when you said I was belittling one man's death to make people think another had died. Kevin Smith (dead) looks a lot cooler then Kevin Smith (alive), and would've made a cool bad-guy in whatever movie he was doing with Willis.
[ February 16, 2002, 07:55: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Well, maybe not belittleingism, but rather tricking, as you seem to have known that the 99.1337% of people around here who aren't watchers of Zena, would have responded in this manner.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Actually, I'm surprised more people here didn't have the passing sort of familiarity with Hercules/Xena. Especially in the US, where episodes of both shows seemed to be played in front of TNG and DS9 in syndication.
But, fine. Happy now?
When Bill Shatner dies, I'll be sure to post "Guy Who Played Bald Dude With Toupee on Star Trek Dies" since I don't want to confuse one William Shatner with some other one that might be around someplace. Heaven forbid.
Patrick Stewart'll be: "Guy Who Played Bald French Dude With No Toupee on Star Trek TNG Dies" and Avery Brooks'll get: "Really Cool Guy With Deep Voice Who Had Hair Then Shaved It And Was Bald And Had A Goatee on DS9 Has Died I Just Didn't Want To Confuse Him With Someone Else Named Avery Brooks, So Sorry."
You know, UM, you're really not an idiot. You are, however, being a real asshole.
[ February 16, 2002, 08:08: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Oh Xena! Yeah i have less than a passing familiarity for it. You see, even though it was often played in tandem with DS9 and TNG, i often skipped Xena/Hercules because i dont actually like watching shit.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
[ February 16, 2002, 13:15: Message edited by: Harry ]
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
What the hell?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Ah... I retract my "never heard of him". Of the few "Xena" and "Hercules" episodes I've seen, some of them featured Ares. Honestly, I didn't think he was very good, but maybe that was just the character...
Posted by Antagonist (Member # 484) on :
I too first thought you were referring to the Kevin 'silent bob' Smith. While I was relieved in a way that it wasn't him, I'm a little ashamed of it. I hate to hear of things like this: "Guy almost get's his big deal, dies before it happens" type stories.
I must echo that RIP.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
You know what, though? Saying "different Kevin Smith Dead" is belittling the Kevin Smith who died. Why does he have to be the "different" Kevin Smith?
UM, you're a real prick.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Chill out, Jeff.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
You chill out. I post a thread, and UM is accusing me of taking advantage of a person's death to make people think another person is dead. That's pretty god-damn harsh, and I'll say so. UM's a nice guy on average, but sometimes he can be a real prick.
[ February 17, 2002, 19:37: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Score one for you.
It's a good thing this internet-web device thing they invented is not prone to silly misunderstandings, I suppose.
Oh, and if you have a problem, there are private messages, and if this bothers you as much as it seems to have, you can use them.
[ February 17, 2002, 20:01: Message edited by: Ultra Magnus ]
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Yes, because the first thing you did when thinking I'd belittled one Kevin Smith was not to PM me, but rather to attack me in the forum, wasn't it? You're not exactly innocent in this mud-slingin', UM.
I'll stop now.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...UM is accusing me of taking advantage of a person's death to make people think another person is dead. That's pretty god-damn harsh..."
I wouldn't say it's harsh. I'd guess everyone probably thought that that was what you were doing. It's what I assumed, but I didn't really care, so I didn't say anything.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
You know, I could understand people thinking that if I was looking through the paper and some trashman who happened to be named "Kevin Smith" died and I posted a thread about that.
But this Kevin Smith was fairly well known in his own right. And I'm getting kind of tired of defending posting a thread to memoralize his death. I'm sure Kevin Smith got tired of people confusing him with Kevin Smith. "D'oh! Why did that New Jersey asshole have to get my name? Why couldn't his parents name him 'Mike' or something?!"
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
For the love of...I don't know, Zeus, drop it, you've made your point, and, as seems to be the growing trend, hammered it deep below the ground.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Simon, I'm a bit bitter about this thread. I feel the need to defend posting a thread about an actor who died whose name happens to be Kevin Smith. I feel the need to point out that I'm not all about taking advantage of one guy's death to make people think another guy died. If it takes beating that into the ground with a sledgehammer, so be it.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
.. and nobody even blinks when good Harry posts a webpage devoted to defecation photography right in the middle of it.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Isn't Daredevil Frank Miller?
I would just like to shock Nimmy at this point by pointing out that comics do not generally have one writer for their entire lifespan. Bob is no longer writing Batman, for instance. Politics, I'll warrent.
Carry on.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I'm trying to wrack my brain to remember how long a single writer has written a character.. even the longest stretches are only about a decade.. Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was during the early eighties as i recall, but most comics-ignorant people neglect to realize that it kept going even after he stopped writing it
Posted by thoughtcriminal84 (Member # 480) on :
wish it hadn't. but then we wouldn't have those wonderful Born Again/Man w/out Fear trades.
eh. maybe Daredevil did stop when Miller stopped.
Oh yeah, and Kevin Smith was da bomb. (no pun intended.)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"For the love of...I don't know, Zeus..."
Ares might have been more appropriate. Or Alanis Morrisette...
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Anyway, I trust we are all now satisfied, and can return to uniting against our common enemy, Frank Miller?
Or did I read that wrong?
(300 was great. I've never read his Batman or Daredevil stuff. Shameful, I know.)
Posted by Tora Ziyal (Member # 53) on :
OH MY GOD NO!!!!!!! I LOVED HIM AS ARES!!!! HE'S TOO HOT TO DIE!!!!
Okay, now that I've calmed down... I was hoping it wasn't him when I saw the thread, but he's the only other Kevin Smith I know of. Pity, though, he's got a great voice (he sang in the Xena musical).
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Liam, I am ridicuously aware of comics having several artists. I wish you'd give me the benefit of the doubt at least once when I raise a point.
What I meant was, did Miller create Daredevil? Notice how I'm posing a question, I want to acquire knowledge, not say I think he did, because that would be presumptuous.
Catch my drift, mate? Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Real Name: Matthew Michael Murdock Occupation: Lawyer, adventurer Base of operations: Hell's Kitchen, New York City First appearance: Daredevil (Vol. 1) #1 (1964) Height: 6' Weight: 200 lbs. Eye color: Blue Hair color: Red
Daredevil first appeared in Daredevil #1 in 1964, written by Stan Lee (remember him?) and drawn by Bill Everett. The first score of issues would swith betwen many influential comic artists of the era including Joe Orlando, Wally Wood, Jack Kirby and John Romita. Gene Colan would draw much of the early run though. Stan Lee moved on around 1970, giving the reins to Roy Thomas. Barry Windsor Smith did some fill in art issues also. There were many more writers in the seventies, such as MW Barr, Steve Gerber, Marv Wolfman and Roger McKenzie. Frank Miller started drawing the series in 1979 with issue 158, but did not write an issue until the story "Elektra" that was in issue #168, although he co-wrote two earlier stories. He wrote the series for almost two years until issue #191, passing the reins onto Denny O'Neil. He wrote eight more issues in 1986 before Ann Nocenti took over. Daredevil got run through the ringer by writers such as Chichester and DeMatteis, in addition to O'Neil and Nocenti, trying to maintain Miller's 'grim and gritty' atmosphere (which he defined as a late 80s trend with Dark Knight). When sales dropped though, Daredevil was revitalized by a lighter atmosphere provided by Karl Kesel and also Joe Kelly. Daredevil was moved from the standard Marvel line to the 'Marvel Knights' line, which was reserved for hot creators who were revitalizing chgaracters. Thats where Kevin Smith comes in (no, the other one), and who has credit for doing great things for the character.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Ah, yes, the Xena musical. "Bitter Suite". I picked up the show for a couple seasons on the recommendation of a friend, and just my luck, I get the biggest arc-based ep of the series as the first ep I see. "Um, OK, so the hot blonde chick is Xena's sidekick? So why're they trying to kill each other? And, what, they're dead now? Or just naked? And why is everyone singing? IS THIS SHOW ALWAYS LIKE THIS!?"
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...hot blonde chick..."
Everyone already knows the routine, so I won't even bother saying it...
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Aw, c'mon...
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
There is a Xena Musical?????? Isn't it enough that they have to show bullshit like Xena or Hercules on TV? Why do they have to unleash the powers of hell in form of a musical as well??? ***goes to the toilet to throw up***
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Austin Powers, I know you think you're trying to be funny, but there are people who feel like you about 'Star Trek.' How do you feel when people say what you said about your favorite TV shows? Especially in a thread about the death of an actor from one?
How would you react if someone said "STAR TREK IS GARBAGE! ICK!" in a thread memoralizing DeForest Kelley's death?
Shame on you.
[ February 21, 2002, 08:24: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I would point out that the "Xena" musical was nothing but an episode of the show in which they did an inordinate amount of singing. It's not like it played on Broadway, or something.
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Thanks for clearing that up.
Posted by Tora Ziyal (Member # 53) on :
Yeah, it's like the Buffy musical, except everyone can sing.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Except Renee O'Connor, who was dubbed.
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
I wish someone had dubbed James Marsten, in "once More With Feeling", he gets an A for effort, but his voice would curdle milk.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It can't be hard singing and putting on an extremely convincing accent at the same time. Lord knows it took the Simpsons cast a few years to get it right.
Creator owned comic characters might hold the record for longest run by one writer. If it's a company character, Peter David's run on the Hulk was over 10 years, wasn't it?
Posted by Tora Ziyal (Member # 53) on :
Lee: Callisto (whatever her real name was) was dubbed too (I have the soundtrack). I meant in general, people can sing. Whereas in Buffy pretty much only Tara and Giles can sing. Even then, a friend of mine who's a musical recording major said Tara didn't sound like she did in real life (she'd seen the 50th anniversary of Rocky Horror on stage, and Giles and Tara were in it). Her and Buffy's (and probably some other people's) voices were enhanced by filters.
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Ned: MMMM-I can sing on broadway.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Nim, why don't you respond to ICQ any more ?
Oh, and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was a really bad movie, although the cool cameos and Clerks related stuff were pretty rockin'
Posted by thoughtcriminal84 (Member # 480) on :
Yeah, Peter David was on the Hulk for a little over a decade.
Roy Thomas wrote near toxic amounts of Conan the Barbarian stories. Enough to fill a small galaxy. I think he lasted nearly two hundred issues.
Chris Claremont had the longest run on a company title I've ever heard of: 17+ years on the Uncanny X-men. Also, it was amusing that he dedicated his first book to the x-men. That's gotta be some kind of first.
I think Dave Sims holds the record for the longest running independantly owned comic, with 277 or so issues of Cerebus so far. This title is dependant on the fact that Cerebus comes out on a regular basis, unlike some other "older" books, which are as infrequent as a mathematical palindrome. (Pop culture buzzword addiction took me for a second there, sorry.)
Japanese comics probably have some truly mad runs, but except for Masamune Shirow and the guys who did Lone Wolf and Cub, I don't know that much about them.
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Jeff, I try to be up when I get time. Hardly anyone else is online when I am, strangely enough. We missed eachother a couple of times, I know. Weekends are the best bet, and soon I've gotten Gamespy up as well (and CS, in effect).
Going with Gamespy 3d though, not Arcade. Even with 1600MHz and a T1-line those damn Arcade server-lists drag on and on. They say it's because of the amount of non-dedicated servers exchanging info with the network.
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