Does anyone know where I might be able to find an online copy of the entire 2800-3000 person victims list from the attacks, including the Pentagon & Shanksville? A couple thousand names could keep me going through about 2 or 3 starship classes, & who better to name them after, eh?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
The list is very long... Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Shik,
I am dismayed at what you said. By placing these people's names in a starship list, I feel you are trivialing the victims.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
hmmm
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
How do you figure that? Is it trivalizing Virgil Grissom to have two starships named after him? Is it trivalizing Prokofiev, Tolstoy, Gage, and many others by naming starships after them?
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Siegfried,
The people that you listed didn't die as a result of an act of brutal murder.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
target, i gotta say you are way off on this one. and Shik is gonna tell you off real soon.
The only thing that is inappropriate may be the timing of naming stuff after them right now, since its such a recent tragedy
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
So I guess Robert Stethem shouldn't have had a destroyer named after him because he was blown up in Lebanon? I believe I have a ship named Trotsky in there somewhere. Should I remove it because he got icepicked by a fat Mexican? What about Robert F. Kennedy? What about John F. Kennedy? Should I dispose of the Medgar Evers as well?
The USN can't honor these people unless they were military personnel, so you can sure as shit bet that the next batch of frigates & destroyers are gonna have Pentagon victims in them. Starfleet honors the fallen, past & "present." I mean, I've made some mildly questionable ship name choices before (ships after Fidel Castro, Mao Tse-Tung, & Lenin...not to mention the whole Diana, Princess Of Wales fiasco), but to me this seem like a no-brainer. In fact, maybe I should see if I can find MORE victim lists from accidents. TWA Flight 800, KAL 007, etc.
As for Mike's thought about the recentness...at the rate I do data entry these days, this class won't be done until the 1st anniversary. Still..
Oh, & thanks, Cartman.
EDIT: After clicking the link,I see that someone from where I used to live--a 20-year-old student--was on Flight 11. Would never have known that had I not gotten this idea.
[ February 21, 2002, 18:08: Message edited by: Shik ]
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
For everyone,
I feel this is dishonorable and it's an action I find reprehensible. Though I feel this way, I know there are people that feel differently.
To use a known example, there are people who have no qualms on visiting "Ground Zero". And there are people such as myself who do experience qualms and decline to visit this place.
I feel what would be out of place is if I didn't say anything. By saying nothing, I would be tacitly condoning this behavrior. My words are an expression of condemnation.
Finally, if you will note, I am careful to use the proper "I-feel" structure to phrase an opinion. This structure suggests that I am expressing an opinion, not a judgement which could be construed as a personal attack on Shik.
[ February 21, 2002, 18:10: Message edited by: targetemployee ]
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
So noted. Should you ever decide to peruse my shiplist project, I then suggest that you stay away from the latter half of my Thomas Paine & M'Benga class listings. And incidentally, the M'Benga-class is a hospital ship. Hm.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I just want to throw in that we've had two starships named "Hood," both are presumably named for Sir Horace Hood, a British Admiral. He was killed in the Battle of the Jutland aboard the HMS Invincible.
Plus, starship gives a ship named for a murderer -- the "Ulysses." At the end of The Illiad, he and his son kill off all of the suitors for his wife.
Today's cultural education session was sponsored in part by Google. Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
After posting my last response, I see that Shik had responded. I can sense his anger through the posting.
Shik,
This is not an rebuke on your person; rather, I am rebuking your behavrior.
I wasn't fully cognizant of the manner in which Tolstoy was killed. In the light of that new information, I will need to amend an earlier post I had written.
The people that were listed here are remembered for not how they died. They are remembered, and in some cases honored, for their accomplishments. So, a ship would be honoring their accomplishments. Grissom was a early pioneer in space aviation. Tolstoy and Prokofiev were artists who wrote works of literature and music, respectively. The Kennedys and Evers were leaders in their fields.
This is different from those who died on 9-11. They will be remembered by most chiefly for the fact that they were killed by agents of a global terrorist network. The accomplishments that they achieved in their personal lives will be forgotten in time.
This is how we humans treat the great and the not-so great. It is unfortunate, but true.
So, Shik, are you naming ships after these people to a) honor their personal achievments, as you would for a Kennedy or a Tolstoy or b)honoring the event that they were participants in?
I feel from your opening words that the answer would be b. And, this forms part of my condemnation of your actions.
If I am wrong, please let me know.
Posted by Tora Ziyal (Member # 53) on :
I think you're reading too much into it.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
It reminds me of a thread we had not too long ago where someone was taking offense to the Grissom (which was named in honor of an astronaut killed in the line of duty) being destroyed by Klingons in The Search For Spock.
Plus, targetemployee, I don't think Shik was angry when he responded to you this past time, but he would have every right to be. You called what he intended to do as a tribute to innocent victims "dishonorable," "reprehensible," and "trivializing the victims."
I would also add that it could be construed that you, too, are trivializing the lives of the victims by assuming that they did nothing in their lives worth remembering other than being in the World Trade Center on September 11th.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
"where someone was taking offense to the Grissom"
99% sure it was targetemployee. I'd have to check that out, but yeah.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by targetemployee: So, Shik, are you naming ships after these people to a) honor their personal achievments, as you would for a Kennedy or a Tolstoy or b)honoring the event that they were participants in? I feel from your opening words that the answer would be b. And, this forms part of my condemnation of your actions.
Let's put this in another form.
The USS Indianapolis is sunk by a Japanese sub. The vast majority of the crew is eaten by sharks. I name ships after the fish food.
A battalion lands on Okinawa. It's wiped out to a man. I name ships after them.
The 54th Massaschusetts attacks a fort & eats powder & shot.
See where I'm headed here?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I like Glory. Good movie, good music. Got to march to it and the music from Gettysburg my senior year in high school.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Leo Tolstoy was an author who died at age 83 when he caught cold.
Leon Trotsky was a corevolutionary with Lenin who was exiled by Stalin and, as Shik put it, "icepicked by a fat Mexican".
Bit of a difference.
[ February 21, 2002, 20:13: Message edited by: TSN ]
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Horner's Glory is OK, but suffers from being the same score he's used on every single movie ever, except adding in a choir. Edelman's Gettysburg is nifty, as well. Gotta like 'We are the Flank'. Whooeee.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I really liked the Kathleen Mavourneen orchestral version. You can actually feel the emotions and the sadness in that piece. Well that's at least true of me.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
It's also worth nothing that significant parts of "Charging Fort Wagner" are eerily similar to "O Fortuna" from Carl Orf's Carmina Burana. If I recall correctly, I think Orf's family took Horner to court over that.
The fun thing about Horner's music, I think, is that you pick out his other works in whatever you're listening to. In Titanic, you can easily hear small bits and variations on Braveheart, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Apollo 13, and many others that I can't think of at the moment.
I like the Glory and Gettysburg scores in particular because the movies share similar themes yet the music is on opposite poles. Glory is often moody, jubilant, and pulsing. Gettysburg is often soft and subdued with some parts often taking on a "heroic" quality.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Who doesn't use Orff as a base for choiral suspense? Arnold's Stargate was Burana with a little AmerEgyptification going on.
The fun with Horner lasts until you get a score like Enemy At The Gates. Not only was it too reminicent of his writing on autopilot, he used - note for note - Williams's Schindler's List theme. Ugh.
It's not that he's a bad composer, in fact he's really quite good, he just doesn't seem to go and challenge himself, like Zimmer or Elfman. I'll always choose something fresh over the recent autopiloting of Williams/Goldsmith/Horner.
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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ah ha! Here's the problem. I haven't been to the movies in forever, so I don't know what exactly Goldsmith, Williams, and Horner are up to. I had heard similar complaints that Horner's "Enemy at the Gates" theme was lackluster. There's also another recent film he scored that I heard this about, but I can't remember which it was.
It's kinda of a shame that Horner's music is getting stereotypical. He's much too young a composer to be hitting that this early. Of course, critics were saying the same thing about his music just prior to his scoring of An American Tail. Maybe he'll pull out of the slump. Goldsmith and Williams I can expect to be getting repetitive. They both have long and impressive scoring credits, plus they're both getting up there in age.
Now, I agree with you that Zimmer and Elfman are interesting to listen to. I was originally disappointed with Elfman after hearing his theme to Batman Returns (which completely blew after his excellent work in the original Batman). But I got back into him with Good Will Hunting. I hear Zimmer's score for Black Hawk Down is pretty good. I liked his work for Pearl Harbor, too.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Zimmers work in Pearl harbour was excellent. As for this whole namin stuff. I think everyone should calm down a notch or two. It's Shik's life. He can do what he wants. But targetemployee has a point about trivializing the ordeal that the victims of 9/11 went through. And also how would the victims families think of this whole name thing. Some of them would be down-right P.O'd at the idea. Cause that's how some people are.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I thoroughly enjoyed Elfman's Planet of the Apes. Complex as hell though. It's a love it/hate it thing.
Hans Zimmer is my favorite composer, I think I own 19 score CDs of his, and I liked Pearl Harbour - in the movie. On album, they left out a lot of the ethnic percussion which was a lot like The Thin Red Line. The album score was fairly lackluster, and the whole score wasn't nearly Zimmer's best.
So, if you like Pearl Harbour, pick up The Thin Red Line. 'Journey To The Line' makes me wet my pants.
Black Hawk Down is another hate it/love it thing. It's not a score, per se, and it's certainly not like anything Zimmer's done before. If you can dig Rock guitar riffs with ethnic chanting and techno beats all in one track, followed by a fiddle suite, followed by more ethnic singing, followed with an ambient soundscape, then you can like it.
I love it tremendously, it's so much more invigorating than the millions of other nondescript film score than make the genre so unappealing to most.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I'll have to check out The Thin Red Line then. I have a vague recollection of the music in the trailer for the movie, but trailers frequently reuse familiar scores from previous movie. For instance, the trailer for The Ghosts of Mississippi used the theme from The Shawshank Redemption. And lord knows how much play Goldsmith's Rudy gets (off the top of my head, The Deep End of the Ocean and Good Will Hunting). So, if the movie's score was actually in the trailer, then I think I will like it.
I have no problem with style and motif changes in a score. It makes the music so much more interesting to listen to. I seem to like a wide variety. I love the minimalist score Glass did with Powaqqatsi and Kundun and I like some of the really charged and fast stuff that you can hear in Mission Impossible. More often than not, I like some of the more fanfare-ish stuff like the opening theme to Air Force One (about the only good part of that score) and First Contact and Galaxy Quest.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I like the song titled, War. it's real nice. It has alot of deep tones in it
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
in my opinion, all current movie composers pale compared to Bernard Herrmann.
--jacob
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Gah, film music, um, "enthusiasts." Let's go back to calling people communists and atheists, please.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
But's that against the rules. Name-calling is for the Flameboard. Aren't we supposed to be all huggy, kissy, and lovey-dovey up here?
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
What I loved most about "Thin Red Line" was the melanesian choires ("God Yu Takem Laef Blong Mi", pity it's so short). This of course can't be credited to Zimmer other than good taste/choice in incorporating it.
[ February 22, 2002, 03:40: Message edited by: G.K Nimrod ]
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
As far as Zimmer's work goes, I think he did an outstanding job with the score for The Rock. No, seriously.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Where the hell did all this come from? That's the most complete and abrupt change in conversation I've ever seen. It's almost like someone posted in the wrong thread, and everyone else just went w/ it...
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Tim, you of all people should know this happens in most of the other threads as well. And even this might change the topic all over again.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
So how about trees, eh? They're all tall and stuff.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
Except when they're short.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Or chopped down. Sad, that.
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
And now, "The Larch".
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
When I first saw this on Wednesday night I was outraged! I was going to post a reply that basically was very nasty and stating my disgust and utter contempt at such an idea.
I decided not to click "Add Reply", for fear that what I had typed in anger would cause me to be banned from Flare.
Shik - I really hope that you don't go naming fictional ships after those poor people, it would be so wrong and immoral.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
[ February 22, 2002, 12:04: Message edited by: Ultra Magnus ]
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Wait, wait, it's immoral to name something after a person who died in a tragedy? You people do know what the word MEMORIAL is, right?
Has anyone ever seen loved ones being outraged because someone wishes to name something in honor of their lost one?
[ February 22, 2002, 13:05: Message edited by: The359 ]
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Well, heck. Let's not name anything after any innocent victims. Let's tear down the Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial. Let's bomb the Concentration Camps sites in Germany and blast the Holocaust Museums out of existence. Let's forget about the people of the Titanic, and to hell with anything about Apollo 1 and Challenger. After all, it's "immoral," "reprensible," "wrong," "dishonorable," and "trivializing the victims" to do monuments, tributes, and memorial namings.
Really, guys, if you're going to stand on "morality" and "ethics" to defend your position, please make sure to post your logical deductions, arguments, and conclusions. Or at least have a grasp of the words you are using.
Now, back to film music. I think the score to Mr. Holland's Opus could have been better. The focus of the movie was Mr. Holland's symphony, and all we got a three minute little thing. Even in the classical period, symphonies lasted at least half an hour. The composer should have beefed that up.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Yeah, we have to destroy everything that was named after Abraham Lincoln... he was murdered, after all.
And all those schools named after JFK and RFK and MLK, and the JFK aircraft carrier (somebody already did that one)
oh, and Megan's Law!
[ February 23, 2002, 05:35: Message edited by: First of Two ]
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
The wound is fresh. The nerves are raw. There is pain and anger.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
But the ships are going to be named in the 23rd or 24th centuries. By then the wounds will ~(at least in Trek) have healed. I do not see how it is dishonourable to name ships after people who have died in tragedies such as this just because it isn't that long since it happened. Also it shows that people at this time still remember; the ships do not have to be warships, this is Starfleet.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Yeah, so if I name a ship USS Panik...& Jonas Panik's family or friends happen to by pure chance stumble onto my site...& read the list that the name's on...they're not gonna think, "Hey, cool...my name." They're gonna think "HOW HORRID! HOW DARE THEY SODDEN THE MEMORY OF JONAS!!!"
To put it bluntly & to quote my woman, "Eat my ass."
I've already had a guy call me TWICE--CALL me! From California!--because he was looking through my Excelsior list, saw a listing for USS Peterzell, & was curious as to how I got his name. This was a middle-aged man, mind you, not some kid. It never occurred to the poor bastard that someone else might have his name & that perhaps I just pulled it from a phone book. Lots of people have the same names. This is no different.
Mm. PHONE book. State College is FAR more racially diverse than Danbury. Maybe I can grab an assload of Arab & Asian names.
[ February 23, 2002, 07:24: Message edited by: Shik ]
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: But the ships are going to be named in the 23rd or 24th centuries. By then the wounds will ~(at least in Trek) have healed. I do not see how it is dishonourable to name ships after people who have died in tragedies such as this just because it isn't that long since it happened. Also it shows that people at this time still remember; the ships do not have to be warships, this is Starfleet.
What crap! They are not being named in the 23rd/24th centuries - they are being named now! Leave the poor people alone, don't add to their pain.
As far as memorials go - I understand what you are saying, but such an act as Shik is planning is not the way to go about it. Now if Shik were to pay or somehow contribute to a real memorial, then I would support him in that action, but not what he is proposing. It just seems too wrong and disrespectful in my opinion.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Since when did a memorial require people to send money in for it?
I mean, define REAL memorial for me, akb...
Shik obviously thinks this is a fitting memorial, therefore it IS a memorial. He's not doing anything to harm these people by using their names.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
For the record, if I get fragged by some megalomaniac in the near future (Whether it be BinLaden, Pat Robertson, or Snay) , I WANT a starship named after me!!!
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
I agree^
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
So, if the arguement here is that naming a ship after someone is disrespectful toward them, does that mean all ships should be named things like USS Hitler, USS Stalin, USS Pol Pot, and so on?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Rob, if you get killed by a ton of legos falling on your head, I'll have invested way too much time in getting you ...
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
To everyone,
I am expressing my opinions, not passing a moral judgement.
I am in support of a memorial, if the memorial has dignity and respect for the person or event. Several excellent memorials in my opinion are the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC, the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, and the Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial in said city.
This idea of Shik's isn't a memorial in my opinion. It's his attempt to fill out ship classes, as indicated in his opening thread. I have given my objections.
This is not a black or white issue. There are nuances in the issue.
As for the suggestion given out by Wrath that Starfleet would name ships after people who died in this event, I truly don't think that would happen. Why? Look at the real world. Can any of you name a ship that is named after a person who died in a massacre that happen 4 centuries ago? I betcha you can't. Any agency, such as Starfleet, will name their ships after prominent people who influenced global events or people who exhibit great heroism. These three thousand souls who died will be remembered by the event that they all shared in a history book and by a memorial in New York City.
And, yes, I support a memorial to the people who died in NYC, Washington, DC, and Pennsylvania.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Well, target, you're sort of ASSUMING that Shik is doing this just to fill up ship names, but I believe Shik's intentions have always been to memorialize the people by naming something after them.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
To me there should be a memorial with thier names on it. a suitable, fitting memorial. like the one they have for Nam, but just using thier names for nameing ships, kinda be-littles thier whole ordeal.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Quote: As for the suggestion given out by Wraith that Starfleet would name ships after people who died in this event, I truly don't think that would happen.
Actually thinking about it I agree with this. I don't think it is likely that these names would be used, there are no ships named for privates at First Ypres or for any of the victims of IRA and other terrorist activities. However I do not think it is disrespectful to name ships after the victims, merely unlikely.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by The359: Since when did a memorial require people to send money in for it?
I mean, define REAL memorial for me, akb...
OK, so most memorials don't require money - but some do and all I mean was that if Shik wanted to contribute some funds to help make a plaque or something then I'd support him. That's all.
quote: Shik obviously thinks this is a fitting memorial, therefore it IS a memorial. He's not doing anything to harm these people by using their names.
Yeah right! I'll simply refer you to targetemployee's comment above.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Are you disagreeing in my saying its a memorial, or my saying it doesn't harm anyone?
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by The359: Are you disagreeing in my saying its a memorial, or my saying it doesn't harm anyone?
Yes I'm disagreeing with you when you say it is a memorial - it isn't, and I disagree with you because it could very well harm people - the relatives of those killed.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
And how could it harm them?
Like I said before, when was the last time anyone complained when a lost family member's name was used in honor of them?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Personally, if I had lost someone in such a tragedy, and then found some fucking Trekkie had just chucked their name on a silly list of spaceships, I wouldn't be happy.
Of course, no doubt the opinion I've just expressed will be regarded as horrible biased because a) I'm not American and couldn't possibly undestand (the fact that a certain percentage of the victims weren't American is of little importance, since I imagine they won't be on the list either), and b) I've always said that anyone who feels the need to construct a full shiplist, making up thousands of names and all that bollocks, seriously needs to get laid.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
"...some fucking Trekkie"
"anyone who feels the need to construct a full shiplist...needs to get laid."
How can a Trekkie be fucking, if he is not.
And we all know how many families of lost loved ones og on the internet and searches on google for Starfleet Ships WTC Victims, right?
Besides, it's not like they'll ever even notice. And besides, it's not like anyone doesn't have the same last names as those people.
Besides, Shik won't name the class "HAHA VICTAMS OF TEH TERRERASTS!!"
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I'll admit that yeah, I need class filler. And yeah, I thought about it & said, "what the fuck." But these are everyday names. Hell, most I may not even be able to lose.
Go sift through my Excelsiors. Find me the ships named after the Beatles or the members of TMBG or Alice In Chains. Find me the names of Playboy Playmates.
Everyone "remembers" in their own way. I got what I needed--the lists. I wasn't looking for your approval & yes, you're entitled to your opinion & to voice it. Marvelous. I applaud that. But it's not like I'm using entries off the SS member rolls. Grow up. Stop being so damn obtuse & "morally sensitive."
Oh, & Lee? I love you, but questioning my sexual activity logs is pretty funny considering.
[ February 24, 2002, 16:02: Message edited by: Shik ]
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
"Obtuse?" Well, obviously you're not doing your best to convince me, then. As for "morally sensitive," well, I'm even more at a loss. I merely expressed an opinion, as you say. That opinion is: if I were one of the bereaved and found this out (never mind how), I wouldn't appreciate it. If you fail to consider that one of the real bereaved might feel that way, or - worse - do consider it and discount it, then you're guilty of gross insensitivity.
Oh, and, UM: heh heh heh heh heh. How old are you, 13? That's one of the most infantile responses I've ever read. Allow me to respond, sir, by saying "you smelt it, you dealt it." 8)
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Yeah? That one about rhyming. Oh, I don't remember.
Oh, and since when did Flare become the sexual exploit forum, and since when did people think we care? In a few short weeks, I fear we may succumb to this .
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I'd still like to know how putting someone's name on a list of fictional ships is disrespectful, but, say, carving their name into a big wall that people put their dirty hands on and birds crap on and such is A-okay.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Jesus H Christ! I think that we (myself included) only wanted to highlight the fact that someone
MIGHT
take offense at having a fictional make-believe ship named after their dead relatiive. Of course, some may like the idea :shrugs:
After reading the latest posts I'm gonna simply say: each to his/her own. If this is your way of remembering - fine. Just remember us warning you when someone causes you some grief in the future.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
The "grow up" wasn't directed at you, Lee. I rarely if ever take much of what you say seriously. In fact, you gave/give me a good laugh muchly.
And AKB? When people cause me grief, they experience full force of will on my part, usually in the form of combined verbal, emotional, psychological, psychic & physical assault. But that's becasue I have this whole righteous "rid the land of morons" thing goin' on.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: And AKB? When people cause me grief, they experience full force of will on my part, usually in the form of combined verbal, emotional, psychological, psychic & physical assault. But that's becasue I have this whole righteous "rid the land of morons" thing goin' on.
You too? Why Shik, I wonder what else we have in common!?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
My turn to finally say something...and that is I probably would have closed this thread a long time ago and move it to the flameboard. And then I probably would have closed that thread and told all of you to take it to private email...but that's if I was one of the admins or moderators.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
im glad youre not a moderator then, or else wed have a board full of closed threads and nothing to talk about. Maybe this will be flameboard material soon, but thats what we have a flameboard for. Steer clear.
my stand is still the naming ships after the victims probably doesnt pan out in the grand scheme of things. I think that bulk naming several thousand starships after these people makes their loss seem a little cheaper. Remembering them will be up to their families and neighbors in their community, and possibly from there that names (used for parks, monuments and schools where they spent their lives) will go on to be ships names, but i think that naming a large group of ships in series after them is cheap.
BTW, have you though about naming ships for places. look up large foreign cities, mountains , etc.. the earth is a pretty big place for stuff like that. and for naming ships after the dead, there are the officers who died in famous battles. probably not all of them have been covered.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
This thread is too weird for the Flameboard, really. There were, for a brief, sweet period, some odd issues being tossed about that didn't deserve the Flameboard stigma.
Now...well, now I don't know what's going on. There is some distinctly strange energy in here. A very negative vibe. I'm at a loss, honestly, and if I sound like I'm being arch or ironic, I'm not.
So, without assigning any blame, or crowning any victors, I'm going to go ahead and close this specific thread. Shik has found what he was looking for, and stated why he was looking for it. Others mentioned why they thought he was doing the wrong thing. And there we are.
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