OK, my computer is like 6 years old - I need a new computer.
Can I get some ideas... what should I look for, what should I avoid. I don't need to go too techy - and I don't need to go too flash... I want something, though that is GOOD, with CD burner etc... I'm thinking of down the track getting a video-cap-card. I want to maybe down the track be able to do music on it - like hook up a keyboard (do you still use midi for this!?!)
I want a nice screen - cause down the track I want to get a 3d program and join you 3d drawing sorta people ;o) Plus I want it to be just the next step beyond what you'd call 'the norm' - i.e. to get a bit of value out of it. ALSO It can't be WAAYYYY too expensive.
Thanks
Andrew
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Son, you have no idea what you have started here. I smell 32 pages to this thread, computer configs are somewhat subjective, I could say. Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
There are a number of guides to computers on the internet. There's bound to be one here, here , and a very good one here .
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Do you want a desktop unit or a laptop? If you want a laptop, then go with a Sony Vaio FX series computer. It's a nice one to have unless you have over $2000 for a Sony Vaio GR series. If you want a desktop then I suggest that you get a Dell. But whatever you do, never buy Compaq because hardware problems arise way too often.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
build your own... its fun
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
"It's...fun." That's what you say while lying under two tons of rusty metal wreckage, dying from trying to change processor.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
If your processor weighs two tons and is rusty, I definitely support your decision to upgrade
Posted by Flower Man (Member # 780) on :
Dude. You're getting a Dell! hehehe
Seriously though, Popular Science recently ran an article about which computer company offers the best $900 dollar computer. I can fish it out and copy the article on the board if you want.
[ March 18, 2002, 10:45: Message edited by: Flower Man ]
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Building it yourself is a pain and a hastle... go buy online or in a store.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
unless you enjoy such things.. my friend Derek and i built our computers at his house on the same night, staying up the whole time taking apart old computers for components and putting them in the shiny new cases we had bout, along with all the new processors boards and fun stuff like that.. we ended up with four usable machines (two of them very high-end, and two of them put together with leftovers). it was one of the best times ive ever had
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
"It was...fun." *chipped blade from processor-fan finally stops heart* "Oh my."
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
"I've never trusted CPU heat-sink fans.. and i never will.. i can never forgive them.. for the death of my boy"
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
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In all seriousness. If you're up to the task, build your own... you can often do so cheaper than buying a preassembled one.
But, if you're not up to the task, get a Dell. Seriously... *L*
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
Here is a suggested configuration:
Motherboard: Elitegroup K7S6A or a Microstar KT333. Processor: AMD Athlon XP +1800 Heatsink: Globalwin CAK38 RAM: 256 MB DDR (333 MHz) Video card: ATI Radeon 8500 or GeForce MX400, 64 MB RAM DDR. Sound card: Included. Modem: If you can rip out the one in your old one and reuse it here, I strongly suggest it. Hard Drive: Same, rip out the old hard drive, use it here as a secondary master. Buy a Maxtor 40GB 7200 RPM as the Primary Master and you're all set. Also rip out the floppy drive and the CD-Rom and add it to your new computer (unless you want a faster speed CD-ROM or a DVD-ROM).
I hope I didn't forget anything.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tahna Los: Here is a suggested configuration:
Motherboard: Elitegroup K7S6A or a Microstar KT333. Processor: AMD Athlon XP +1800 Heatsink: Globalwin CAK38 RAM: 256 MB DDR (333 MHz) Video card: ATI Radeon 8500 or GeForce MX400, 64 MB RAM DDR. Sound card: Included. Modem: If you can rip out the one in your old one and reuse it here, I strongly suggest it. Hard Drive: Same, rip out the old hard drive, use it here as a secondary master. Buy a Maxtor 40GB 7200 RPM as the Primary Master and you're all set. Also rip out the floppy drive and the CD-Rom and add it to your new computer (unless you want a faster speed CD-ROM or a DVD-ROM).
I hope I didn't forget anything.
Yes - a price?
AndrewR - upgrading is obviously a good idea, but perhaps you shouldn't do it all at once. Maybe upgrade in stages (to spread the cost). You might also consider transferring some of your old components to the new PC - floppy drive, CD-Rom, printer, speakers, sound card etc. I know that these don't cost much nowadays, but the amount you could save (between �70 and �100 over here) might just be enough to get the next size graphics card and/or processor. I would recommend keeping you CD-rom even if it has a low speed as it is useful for burning your own CDs (it's faster with two drives). As for the monitor - I have a 15" one and it's not let me down for performance - if you have a 15" monitor I'd keep it. If you want a 17" one (or even 19") see if you can get a deal by exchanging the monitor (along with the other parts) to get the larger monitor with you only paying the difference. If you're happy to stick with the monitor that you have (I'm assuming it's 15") then I'd wait until prices drop a bit unless you have �200+ to spend. Or should all of these �'s be ing Australian Dollars? Oh well, that's my 2p, hope it give ya something to consider.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well keep the old cd-rom drive, and get a new burner (cd-rw drive), but never copy discs directly from the cd-rom drive to the cd-rw drive as chances are likely that you'll experience buffer underruns which will screw up your newly recorded cd.
Damn run-on sentences.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Flower Man: Dude. You're getting a Dell! hehehe
Shouldn't that be -- "Dude. You're getting a Dull!" ?
I'd advise you to Think Different. Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Yes, think Japanese product reliability.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
I bought a new Dell 8200 1.6GHz with WinXP, it's the best thing I've done. It's so sealed and insulated that I thought I hadn't put in the power cord when switching it on for the first time.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I'll be getting a Dell to replace my 5-yo Pentium MMX 200. . .
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I've got a Dell Dimension 8100 1.4ghz, and it's allright. There wasn't enough factory-installed fart noises, but hey, you get what you pay for.
But really, it's a good old boy.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Hmmm, should I buy a computer from Japan that we would never see in the US markets? I'm looking to replace my Gateway desktop with a Sony desktop that's only sold in Japan.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Hey, Gateway desktop, snap. 8)
Well, in theory spare parts for this Jap computer should be the same as anything else's, but actual warranty-based support may be impossible to get. What do you do if there's a fundamental fault in the machine?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I keep forgetting about my thread here - cause I forget to come over to the officer's lounge - spending all my time in the friggin' DS9 kitbash thread
Anyway thanks for your ideas/comments/suggestions people! And please, keep them coming. I'll have to spend some time reading through them. For all the time I spend on this machine I don't know a WHOLE heap about it. I think it stems from out first computers... 'family' ones from like 1990 - when my dad would say "Don't go fooling around with stuff" - so I was wary that I'd wreck stuff ;o)
ANYWAY, I'm not up on ALL the jargon - but I've got an idea - so I'll sift through some of the info you've all given me (and I hope it keeps coming). Y'see I've still gotta convince my father to buy the computer - as I have no job (even if I had my own money I'd still have to watch what I bought!) ) So I have to work out a good computer - but it can't be like - way too exxy.
A friend/aquaintence on a mailing list I'm on - who lives in Brisbane said he'd offer to put the machine together... but I didn't want to burden him with the task.
As for putting it together myself - I've never OPENED the case before - let alone put anything together - It'd be great to have a whole lot of old 'puters and fuck around with them to see what goes where/what happens - is it very hard?
As for what I already have from my old computer - not much:
The original monitor - last week blew up on me. It left an acrid smell and the screen when bonkers. So that's out - I went and fished my brother's old 'puter from upstairs which hasn't been used since like 1995. It was bought in 1993. The monitor was SOOO pathetic - 12" viewable! Couldn't 'stretch' the screen - it curved out so much it nearly hit me in the nose I've gone and 'swapped' the monitor on to the older machine that is sitting on my dad's desk (The one before the one I'm using) It sorta sits there - but dad does use it every now and then to... play golf
So 1 the monitor is out. (although this 2nd oldest monitor is 14" I think it's better than the one I was using ;o)
Keyboard - yeah don't cost much - but this one was fished from my brother's old 'puter as well ;o) (The other one's space bar went caput!)
Mouse - 4th mouse I think - and now it too is buggering up - again not that exxy.
Speakers - they aren't too bad - but they are getting old.
CD rom - The company dad bought the original 'puter off - replaced the old one with a 10x - not too bad - but bloody noisy. Oh and about CD burning - so it is true it's not best to copy from CDROM-->CDWriter but copy the tracks to the hard drive and then burn?
Hard drive - 2 gig. I am continually deleting stuff.
RAM - !?! Can't remember - where do I look - Control panel - 2 seconds...
32 Megs of RAM!! OMG! LOL! (I think that was good for 1996)
CPU: Pentium 133.
The 3.5" dd would be dusty - as It hasn't been used in yonks ;o)
Modem - External. I'm pretty sure it's still a 28.8 - the box said "upgraded to 36.6" but I reckon that could have been crap.
Scanner: CanoScan FB320P (does me fine)
Printer: Epson Stylus 'Color' 640. Both do me fine.
Everything else I reckon needs a replacement.
So please, everyone keep suggesting!
Anyone else hungry?
Andrew
[ March 19, 2002, 21:32: Message edited by: AndrewR ]
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
For speakers, I've had my eye on these for awhile. A very rich sound, and I've seen them go for under $100.
On the other hand, if you don't want the full surround sound, you can get these for a lot cheaper.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Sorry, it has to be done...
Buy a Mac.
*ducks*
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: [b] Oh and about CD burning - so it is true it's not best to copy from CDROM-->CDWriter but copy the tracks to the hard drive and then burn?
Well I've done some CD burning, not many but a few to know a bit about it. I put my origninal CD in my CD-Rom drive and put the source CD in the CDRW (obvious some would say, but I don't want anyone getting confused). Now all of my CDs that I've burned are music CDs for my sister and the quality of the copies is no different than that of the original. As for transferring to the HDD and then copying - I have no idea but if someone can confirm that I'd be very interested.
AndrewR - you sound as though you've had more bad luck with your PC(s) than I have with mine!
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well you can copy directly from cd-rom drive to cd-rw drive, but there are some times when the cd-rom drive isn't fast enough to place enough data into the buffer so the -rw drive has a steady stream of data to use. Using the hard drive is often better because they are much faster than -rom drives and can supply a steady stream to the buffer. The way a -rw works when burning a disc is that the lens is constantly moving as it writes to the disc. It doesn't stop until the disc write procedure is completed. If there is no data to write when there should be, the lens will still move forward. When the data finally arrives, the lens is already past the point where the data is supposed to be written, though the data will still be written, albeit in a different place on the disc that it supposed to be on. This automatically screws up the disc when the disc is played later on. When a player is reading the disc, it will come to the point where it expects data to be there, only to find nothing there. It will not fast forward to the new spot, but just stop, thinking it's reached the end instead.
BTW akb1979, the source disc goes into the cd-rom drive as that's were the data comes from (the source of the data). The blank cd-r or cd-rw disc is the target disc (where the data is going to) and goes into the cd-rw drive.
And never do anything else when you're burning a disc, because the access heads of the hard drive will be in other places getting other stuff from the hard drive or writing other stuff to the hard drive. When it's time for the hard drive to get more data for the buffer, it's too busy doing other stuff and you'll get a buffer underrun. It'll take time for the access heads to return to the correct place to get the data. By that time, the cd-rw lens is past the correct writing point and you'll have a screwed up disc.
[ March 20, 2002, 17:37: Message edited by: Dat ]
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Vogon, I'm buying this computer from Dynamism.com, a third party dealer that offers tech support like a Best Buy store.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
OK then. 8P
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Not to bring in some actual logic here, but...
You have two IDE, well, let's call them "thingies" to avoid being tecnical. Each "thingie" can have two drives attached on one ribbon, usually a CD-ROM or hard-drive. Now, the computer cannot read and write from two drives on the same ribbon at once, so if you have the CD-ROM and CD-writer on the same ribbon, the computer has to read from one drive, then write to another, then read a bit more, then write. This can cause buffer underrun.
However, if you have them on seperate "thingies", then the computer can read from the CD-Rom and write to the blank CD at the same time, which is pretty much the same as reading from the hard disk.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: BTW akb1979, the source disc goes into the cd-rom drive as that's were the data comes from (the source of the data). The blank cd-r or cd-rw disc is the target disc (where the data is going to) and goes into the cd-rw drive.
D'oh! That's what I meant but got my words mixed up. I should have used "original" and "target" for the different CDs! HEHE! D'oh! It was 23.30 at the time and I was knackered!
As for everything else you said . . . sound advice - I'll give it a go when I get some more CD-R's.
PsyLiam - I like you techno talk - "thingies". Now that I can understand! HEHE!
Cheers!
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
The new flat panel iMacs are sure nice: fast G4 processors, lots o drive space, CD-RW/DVD-R, decent RAM, Firewire, and it works without you ever having to think about IDE thingies or anything of the sort if you don't want to...
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
You can't play games for shit on a "flatscreen". I have tried many 15" and 18" TFT monitors in my job, everyone has this weird flickering refresh rate technique when playing 3d-games, like Halflife, Quake or such.
I think it has to do with the TFT refreshing the whole screen at once, whereas standard "glass"-monitors replace it from top-to-bottom, like on TVs. They also can't compete with standard CRT-monitors where pixel-quality or refresh rate is concerned, yet. I can get 160Hz @ 800x600 on my Hitachi 20". Flatscreens are good for office use and schools, though. Plus they conserve space nicely. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So by-passing the Mac debate for a moment - sorry - should I enquire about having 2 'thingies' or IDEs' when I purchase the 'puter?
And thanks for the info about buffer under-run etc. - interesting!
Oh, and I opened the case to my computer for the first time the other day... interesting... and after 6 years quite dusty ;o)
Andrew
Keep up the discussion - please - it's very interesting. So CRT's a better to get than TFTs? What about the specs for the CRT monitor? apart from screen size... what about resolution or what ever?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I bought an iBook about five months ago, and I'm very happy with the TFT display. I haven't played many games lately, but the colors have been wonderful for all the artwork that I've viewed. (Not to mention the great background images I'm using.)
Flatscreens are the way of the future! Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"So by-passing the Mac debate for a moment - sorry - should I enquire about having 2 'thingies' or IDEs' when I purchase the 'puter?"
All PCs have them. Two IDE ribbons, each with two sockets on them.
And I wouldn't trust Nimmy's comments about TFTs. He runs a 20inch monitor at 800 x 600, so he is quite clearly mad.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Please forgive my ignorance - PLEASE... but I understand the 20" monitor (drool) but what's with the ***x*** I know my piddly little monitor is on 800x600 but do you have to increase this when your computer size goes up... and what happens when you do - as you said 800x600 on a large monitor!?! AGAIN, pardon my ignorance.
Andrew
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
No you don't have to increase your resolution if you get a bigger monitor, but everything will look bigger and a little more choppier. If you get a 17 incher 1024x768 will give you results similar to 800x600 in a 15 or 14 incher. A 19 incher, you may want 1280x960. A 21 incher, you may want 1600x1200.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Liam, I'm looking at you through 1280x1024, have been for the last 18 months. I get 85 Hertz there, which is just enough. Ilchester.
AndrewR: The ****x*** is the size of the screen in pixels, and if you have a higher res you get more space on the screen and much more clarity and smoothness, which is good for working with pictures, for one, and in games for getting a nice big view of things with tasty detail.
In 3d-games it also means that the quality of all objects is so much more smooth and detailed.
If you aim crosshairs at someone in 512x384 (once a popular res) one unfortunate twist of the mouse could swing your aim clear off the mark. In 1024x768, the target's head is illustrated with so many more pixels that you can pinpoint on the tip of his nose if you want.
Posted by The Apocalypse (Member # 633) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: build your own... its fun
I helped build one once, I got electrocuted when I plugged it in for the first time, but after that, it was fine, it wasn't even for me..
Fun? No, but sometimes it can be.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Aren't you dead?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
*raises one eyebrow*
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I was in an Apple shop today and I was looking at the new iMac *DROOL* indeed. What I was wondering - what are the drawbacks to getting a Mac nowadays? There used to be this whole competition - still is I guess - but that iMac looks way cool - do what would I need to compare to it in a PC? Can a PC match it - are PC's better??
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Yeah, you might not want to buy a computer on looks alone. Macs are good, only if you don't say that out loud. I wonder why there isn't more proliferation of them, as more and more programs are hybrid now in the new modern days, and they're a lot more reliable. I got a PC because the hardware is cheaper, but I'm telling you, good sirs, that a dual processor G4 cube looks like a good computer for me to watch sweet goat pornography on.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Drawbacks of getting a Mac?
Well, from the basic perspective, I see none. I've used Macs for nearly ten years now, and I've never had a serious problem with one. I've owned my own Mac for four of those years (first a Blue iMac, and since last November, an iBook) -- and I can truly say that I've never had to do anything like reformat the hard drive or any other fun stuff like that.
The biggest potential drawback is application availability. First, Apple has recently started pushing OS X on all new computers -- but some applications aren't quite ready/available for the advanced OS yet. (Older programs that work with OS 9 need to be converted -- "Carbonized" -- to work natively in OS X. They can still be run in an emulator-type environment called "Classic.")
However, most of the major applications are now available for OS X. Microsoft Office, Adobe products, and so on.
The only real "problem" that I could point out would be from a Trekker's perspective, if you're interested in gaming. The majority of Trek games aren't available for Mac. They've been promising us "Starfleet Command II" for the past six months, but it's been repeatedly pushed back. Other games like "Armada" never went for the Mac at all. (Although both "Elite Force" and that DS9 game about the Pagh-Wraiths are both available for Mac.)
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Like Mikey said, build your own. It is fun!
Had to do it myself just one week ago... my old motherboard fried itself and just about everything on it. Provided me with a nice excuse to get my hands dirty on some tasty new hardware.
Not much can go wrong if you know what you are doing (it ain't rocketscience) and excert some caution. The benefits also far outweigh the few disadvantages.
Oh yeah, one last thing: don't buy a Mac. Software compatibility.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
still wondering how you couldve gotten electrocuted and survived, seeing as the definition of 'electrocute' means that a living organism recieves an electrical charge until its life functions cease (Hence my rather stunning Star Trek II quote). Perhaps the computer gave you an electric shock? That would result in the current leaving you in a still-living state.
Here's a quick way to check: Hold two fingers against your neck.. if you feal a steady pulse, it probably means you only received an electric shock. If you have trouble finding your pulse, have your parents help. If you can't find a pulse, or if the fingers rather easily rend the rotting decomposing flesh beneath your jaw, it probably means you are dead, yet still your soul remains for some reason. Want to know how to get rid of it? Here's what you need:
Three pieces of Scotch tape, measured out to 3" A styrofoam cup (if you can't find styrofoam, use paper) Four wooden stakes Two cloves of garlic One Holy Bible
oh hold on .. i'll be right back
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: Not much can go wrong if you know what you are doing (it ain't rocketscience) and excert some caution. The benefits also far outweigh the few disadvantages.
Care to give us a list of those advantages and disadvantages?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
quote:Care to give us a list of those advantages and disadvantages?
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I'd be happy to.
Pros: -building PC's from scratch is far cheaper than buying a "prefab" machine -provides you with a chance to gain valuable experience -possible to select only those components you want
Cons: -could fry parts with static electricity -could fry self -could damage something -could damage self -need to possess a fair amount of knowledge -is more of a hassle to select everything and order it from seperate stores
There's more, but I gotta go back to work.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: Oh yeah, one last thing: don't buy a Mac. Software compatibility.
Compatibility is not the issue at all. In fact, Macs are more compatible with most software formats in general -- because Macs have superior translation programs. Moving files from PC to Mac is no trouble at all any more. (Heck, most of the time they don't need to be converted at all!) That's originally why I bought Micro$oft Office a couple of years ago -- because the University network was mainly Windows machines, but using Office for Mac made it a lot easier to use some of the files, especially Word, etc.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
I've used both platforms for quite a while now. I started on PCs back before Widows, when the Internet was still FIDOnet and OPUS, but found that I was working very hard just to get the machine to do very simple things. One day our school got some Macs, and though I thought they lookied kind of silly (these were the little black and white all-in-ones with the 9in. black and white screen.) I found it so easy to do things, and what I learned in one program made me that much better in the next. The computer wanted to help me do things, where I was fighting it the whole way on the PC. It seemed like I was actually getting somewhere. That's changed somewhat with windows, but anyone who has used both extensively will tell you that Windows is just a crude imitator of the Mac OS. I still prefer the Mac.
I would say the real stumbling block is in the games. If you are into gaming and want to play the newest hottest games, (well first of all you're going to need to get a beefier configuration) but you probably won't be happy with the Mac. We still get games, most of the good ones, but it usually takes six months or more. Most of the major software programs are available for both platforms. For your basics like internet compatibility, word processing, spreadsheets, and graphics, you're really not going to have any trouble finding good apps. As MM said, our machines tend to be more compatible than PCs (I fear more out of necessity than anything else). I run a program called Dave which lets my Mac talk to PC networks. This continually freaks my PC friends out. You will find there aren't as many shareware applications for Mac, but that can be a good thing, as there are still plenty available and we tend to get the good stuff.
If you are just getting into computers, though, a Mac is often a good way to go. Apple spends a lot of money and effort in "usability" studies, which is a kind of hippie way of saying testing. They make sure that a broad selection of people enjoy the experience of using their products, and that said products are easy and fun. A lot of PC users make fun of us for this, but I'm all for having a pleasant user experience as the computer is where I spend most of my time. Of course, I am a graphic designer, and we're a queer lot of touchy-feely proto-babies who get off on things like pretty OS graphics and nice-looking hardware. They are easier to set-up and use. The interface has evolved over the years to be a friendly and productive environment. I find that I need to spend very little time working getting my computer to work, and that gives me a lot more time to get my work (and play done). Anyway, I gotta go to work...
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Thanks Cartman, I guess that means that I'd better go on that PC maintenance & upgrade course at my local college in September with my Dad - for the knowledge. Never know, might end up building my sister a new PC . . . naw - she can do it herself! HEHE!
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Well the Macs are easier to use, which is why they are now being installed in the elementary schools of LAUSD. But PC's are being installed at the middle and high schools since students want a challenge to bypass the security software to access the Playboy site.
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Oh well, that's my 2p, hope it give ya something to consider.
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