It's like a japanese comic book put on film...with anime in a flashback. And nods to Bruce Lee And nods to Japanese Godzilla movies And it's....just....amazing.
PLus there are TWO direct Star Trek refrences in the movie!
The movie opens with text on the screen:
Revenge is dish best served cold. -Old Klingon proverb
Now that is a classy way to start a movie.
By far Tarintino's best movie to date...and it's just part one of two!
...and, of course, I got to see it with six others in a deserted movie theatre the night before it opens.
P.S.- I saw the new Return of The King and Matrix: Revolutions trailers with the movie. Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I will go and see it, though I sometimes get irritated with certain friends who blindly worship anything Tarantino and Rodriguez spits out, just as long as it's got their names on it. The same people who also think "Pirates of the Caribbean" was the best movie of the year.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
All the reviews I've read say it's crap. which nearly made me cry. I thought Tarantino could do no wrong, but apparently Kill Bill is just not worth the effort. If he'd stuck to the original idea and made one kick-ass movie it wouldn't be so bloaty apparently, but as i say this is merely the opinion of people I trust. I'll have to see it to make my own mind up, but yours is the first positive review I've seen.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
We'll hopefully get to see it this weekend. Just remember - so far this is a spoiler-free thread. . .
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Ebert & Roeper gave it two thumbs up and I've read a lot of other positive reviews.
Personally, I can't wait to see it. I loves me the Martial Arts and Tarantino movies so this is truly the best of both worlds for me. And anything with a chick kicking ass I usually dig (Alias, Dark Angel, Crouching Tiger..., et al.)
The jumpsuit worn by Uma Thurmon is the same type as the one worn by Bruce Lee in "Enter the Dragon". Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Take off those sunglasses, kid, it was "Game of Death".
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
My bad, you're right. Damn, there goes my appearance on "Beat the Geeks". Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I plan to see Kill Bill, but being broke kind of affects that. As it does a great many other things...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Something to keep in mind: Dont go in planning to analize every plot aspect like we do a Trek episode if you want to enjoy the movie. Like in 60's matral arts movies, people lose LOTS of blood without immeadately passing out/ dying/ scraeaming endlessly.
Go in planning to watch a fun movie with lots of action and you'll really love it. Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
quote:Originally posted by Axeman 3D: All the reviews I've read say it's crap.
In my experience, movies are pretty much the oppposite of what reciews say they are.. so it MUST be a good movie.. heh.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
As Ritten might have fucking deduced from the fucking Endagered Species Deregulation thread, I saw this fucking movie today. VERY intense. LOTS of blood. Some really cool stuff too. I felt like maybe it could have been funnier at a couple of points, but it definitely wasn't taking itself too seriously. A real hoot, and just some spectacular (and ridiculous (and spectacularly ridiculous)) fight scenes. Dirty, vicious, clever, hip and fun. Fucking fun, even.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Dont go in planning to analize every plot aspect like we do a Trek episode if you want to enjoy the movie.
"we"?
I'd also say "analyse", but I've given up trying to figure out which ones are stupid American spellings, and which ones are just stupid Americans spelling.
Wow, that almost works.
Anyway, good film. Fun. Not the sort of thing to make me declare Tarantino as my new god though, and behind Reservoir Dogs in overall quality. I also thought that the anime bit was more violent that the rest of it.
It was rated 18 over here though, which meant I finally got to enjoy a film without stupid annoying little brats running up and down the isle saying "Where is the Hulk?", "Where it the Terminator", "Where is Fucking Nemo"?
I also saw Fucking...er, Finding Nemo, and I'd say that's easily as good as Kill Bill. So there.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It should have been "analyze", if that helps you at all.
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
Watched it. Loved it. Want more.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I should spank all you spelling correctors with a katana.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Only if you use Hattori Hanzo steel.
Damn I loved that movie.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I haven't read the rest of this thread but I have to agree - SEE KILL BILL Volume 1!!
It is a GREAT film - and I couldn't stop giggling throughout the movie at all Quentin's homages and little injokes... and I gasped at the beautiful scene at the end.
And OMG Lucy Liu is MINE I tells ya! Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle:
quote:Originally posted by Axeman 3D: All the reviews I've read say it's crap.
In my experience, movies are pretty much the oppposite of what reciews say they are.. so it MUST be a good movie.. heh.
I adhere to that opinion too Wooz... and they only ever rate 'big' movies when they really can't convince an overwhelming majority that it's the opposite of what it is otherwise they would loose credibility. BUT they always try to bag 'bigger' movies because it makes them look intelligent - like they know something about the movie that everyone else doesn't - including other reviewers... cause remember there is of course competition between reviewers for who gets 'listened' to the most etc. just like everything.
Andrew
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Saw it last night, really enjoyed it. My wife went from wanting to leave after five minutes (because she thought it was going to be endless chop-socky fights a la Matrix Reloaded) to declaring at the end it's the best film she's seen this year.
Incidentally, before we saw the trailer for Matrix Revolutions, and she wants to see it, despite her loathing for Reloaded.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Is this Revolutions preview the same one that you could see if you stayed around till the end of the credits at the end of Reloaded?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
No idea, but I felt the same thing when I saw the Revolutions trailer. I am going to get excited, and then be disapointed again. Damnit.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
No it's not the same one. the new trailer is longer and completely different.
Saw Kill Bill. Thought it was very good. Can't wait for vol. 2... Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Like while I was watching the movie, I kept thinking, "Man, this is going to have to be a long movie." Because I didn't know there was going to be a part 2. And so at the end of the movie, I was all, "What a fucking cool way to end it, so we the audience have to imagine __________ completing her revenge. How perfect." But then my friends told me I was an ass.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Not to be all clever-nerd and stuff, but didn't you notice the "volume 1" at the beginning?
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Don't remember. There was a lot of Tarantino-esque over-clever text at the start of the movie. I didn't notice the Episode IV at the head of Star Wars for years. So I'm thick I suppose. OTOH, I'm still waiting for the Buckaroo Bonzai sequel.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Just saw the KB vol 1 here in Tokyo. It didn't have the title card with the Klingon "Revenge" quote! I wonder what else was changed.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
I heard that some of the sequences we saw here in the States which were in black and white were in color in Japan. But that could be complete bollocks. "In the restaurant" were there black and white sequences?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
According to the IMDB, the Japanese version is indeed more violent, and the black and white sequence was indeed in black and white to avoid the film getting an NC-17 rating.
Which of course means that 10 year olds and younger can go and see horrific violence and death on a large scale. Hoorah for the US.
Interesting that almost every other country seems to have made it an 18 rating or equivalent. Obviously, they must have crazy thoughts, like "making extreme violence black and white does not make it fluffy and cute".
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
No black and white sequences, as far as I remember. The sword fight when the lights went out was in silhouette against a blue background. Kill Bill is rated R-15, the same as the renowned bloodbath...Bridget Jones's Diary!
When I was a kid of about 12, my uncle, who was a movie projectionist in Chinatown, took me to see this Chinese movie called "Vengence" (I think) in which the hero in a clean white suit enters the lair of the mafia to avenge his brother's death. He killed about a hundred bad guys with various edged weapons. At the end his suit had become completely red. It was the bloodiest thing I had ever seen before Kill Bill.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
****SPOILERS FOR PART TWO!****
Something I found out today: The piano player that was killed at the wedding is Samuel Jackson! He'll be in part II when they reveal exactly how the wedding went down.
Cool.
[ October 26, 2003, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: Jason Abbadon ]
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Oh dropper of spoilers, I would like not to have known that at this point.
A recommendation or two.
Lost In Translation - Bill Murray is great.
Bubba Ho-Tep. It�s such an odd little movie. Elvis is indeed alive, and living in an East Texas rest home.
And
Elephant - An interesting film which is tied in to, but not about, Columbine.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Sorry Jay. I'll watch the "spolier" thing.
Bubba HoTep does indeed look great: any idea whan it's really coming out?
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Thank you.
It's already playing.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
And it's good. Not gooo-OOOOO-ooood, the way, say, Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness were good, but good. And also I concur with Jay having seen Lost In Translation for the second time today (this time with my Japanese speaking gf). Another fine Coppola product.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: Like while I was watching the movie, I kept thinking, "Man, this is going to have to be a long movie." Because I didn't know there was going to be a part 2. And so at the end of the movie, I was all, "What a fucking cool way to end it, so we the audience have to imagine __________ completing her revenge. How perfect." But then my friends told me I was an ass.
LOL! I loved how they bleeped her name out... why did they do that!?! Just wierd-ass Tarantino? Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao: No black and white sequences, as far as I remember. The sword fight when the lights went out was in silhouette against a blue background. Kill Bill is rated R-15, the same as the renowned bloodbath...Bridget Jones's Diary!
LOL! I liked when the lights went out and it was just that blue background - it reminded me of the 'blue room' scenes in "Cube".
There was that fist-fight in BJD! That was funny how everyone ran out to watch it. (I think that that was in that movie).
Andrew
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
$ $ $ $ $ $ I just saw Kill Bill. BEST MOVIE EVER! Though i don't understand how you can have blood gushing out of your arm like a firehose... my bro. puked in the anime sequence. I think it was around the part where Lucy Liu's (HOT WITH SHORT HAIR) "dad" (I mean Lucy Liu) was stabbed and about a good 4 gallons of blood came out (intresting we are supposed to have about 4 quarts...) I was laughing at all the carnage at the end of the battle: "Leave now all of you! your limbs are mine!"
Blair
(I puked when Lucy Liu's scalp was cut off... Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Puked.
Twice.
Ushers.
Poor Ushers.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Capt.Blair245: Though i don't understand how you can have blood gushing out of your arm like a firehose...
You can't. Tarantino did it like that to pay homage to b-movie martial arts films of old that had obscene amounts of blood squirting out every which way.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
How could anybody puke in that movie?
Huh.
Psyliam's right: the "firehose of blood" thing is a martial arts movie tribute. Notice that the girl with her arm severed never lost consiousness (whaen she's actually have bled to death in minutes)?
Note also the lovely model of the city as the plane touches down in Japan.
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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
My question is, how could someone puke then say it was the best movie ever?
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I've never been to a cinema with someone puking. Almost thought it was an urban myth.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
It's only fake blood after all. Granted, it is being sprayed out of a power shower, but still... I've never seen/heard of anyone being sick or passing out in a movie. My sister did cry when Bambi died though...
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
"Blair Witch Project" had a lot of people getting motion sickness, but watching the Anakin/Amidala "They'd never understand our love" scene is the closest I've ever come to actually puking in the theatre.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"I do not want to be emotionally involved with you at all, nor do I want you fancing me. That is why I am dressed in this practical leather corsit. My boobs are on display like this purely for support reasons."
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
You have no idea how dissapointed I am.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Well, saw it. Our movie festival is kicking off right now, K.B. was the opening pic.
Stunt scenes were great (Uma too), it was hard to tell when it was her and not.
The animated part was good, not the usual manga or anime with the big heads and eyes, more gritty, sketchy and realistic, good choice. (*blooper*, Desert Eagle .50AE's weren't around in the seventies, when Ishii was a girl)
The dialogue: I liked the 'Indio'-speech from "For a few dollars more", "I leave you alive so you can tell the others", good nod.
Sound track: good-yes-more-please. Also, very non-asian with the salsa cover of "Don't let me be misunderstood" in the endfight, but perfect for the 'Mexican Standoff' atmosphere. I thought of the song in the "Fist of the North Star" next-to-last endfight, where the blue-haired guy with the laser-strips in his fingers battle the big baddie and...almost wins. Anyone know the song?
Verdict: Hey, no Oscar flick, and they kind of dragged out on some of the oneliners for too long at places (hearing a spin on "Now....you will...die" for the fifth time= ) but it was brave to show the stump of Sofie Fatale's arm, and the later close-ups. Hey, I like gore if it's done well. *shrugs*
Thought it was Monica Belucci for a while there. Hm.
3.5/5 in the "all movies" category, 5/5 in the "Kung Fu movies" category. Yeah, I'd say it beats "Crouching Tiger" and "Hero" in entertainment value, it was brave of Tarantino to add the cheesy *swoosh*- and *biff*-soundfx.
PS: Buck-the-Fuck = Zed's Cousin? Gotta be. He got better than he deserved.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
I ran into Zed in Hollywood the other not. He asked me for the time in front of the Roxy at, like, 3AM. The reports of Zed's death have apparently been exagerated.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Oh man. I'm not much of a fan of QT's oeuvre (so I like to go against the flow, shoot me), but this one... KICKASS! The entire movie is one BIGASS homage to the martial arts flicks of yore. Seriously, the references are EVERYWHERE. Sonny Chiba as weaponsmith! BADASS oldschool Chinese techniques! Yuen "Ass" Woo-ping choreography! Over-the-top anime! Yakuzas wearing Bruce's mask from The Green Hornet! And to top it all off, a not-so-subtle nod to Lee being passed over in favor of David "Billy" Carradine for the lead role on Kung Fu!
Fucking yeah.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Cartman, we park our cars in the same garage.
Cartman said: "...and a not-so-subtle nod to Lee being passed over in favor of David Carradine for the lead role on Kung Fu!"
What was that nod? Must've missed that. Funny, I explained to my friends on the way home about David snatching the role from Bruce, but I didn't see any nod.
I forgot one thing I didn't add earlier, a blooper of sorts, only a deliberate one. Swords. Don't. Ring. During. Their. Unsheathing. GRRR!!! Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Nim: I went in with no idea what to expect, so I was flabbergasted when Uma showed up in Bruce's Game of Death attire. It's like the spirit of Lee gets to exact vengeance on Carradine too, all these years later. Just thought that was a nice tip o' the hat.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I didn't interpret it as a Carradine/Lee reference, just a "Game of Death" reference.
Incidentally, Jackie Chan was a stuntman in many of Lee's movies, most notably "Fist of Fury", IIRC. It would be awesome if he did some sort of cameo... He was really really good once. Everything after "Rumble in the Bronx" is lukewarm to me.
There was one movie, late 70's, where he had black jeans, grey sleeveless T-shirt and a pair of spiked leather bracers, kind of like Conan's in "Conan the Destroyer". Anyway, he fought this guy in a living room, they were both crouching all the time, it looked so cool. They moved around like crazy horisontally but never rose past a meter. He was almost as thin as Lee back then.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Yeah, Chan's early work (before he began clowning about) like Eagle's Shadow and Drunken Master was impressive, real shame that time has taken such a toll on the guy. His recent movies make it painfully clear that he's pushing 50 now, relying more and more on his slapstick antics to fill the kung fu gaps...
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Well. I thought the movie was complete ass. Being artsy for the sake of being artsy. If you want to see an artistic movie done right, see Run Lola Run.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: I forgot one thing I didn't add earlier, a blooper of sorts, only a deliberate one. Swords. Don't. Ring. During. Their. Unsheathing. GRRR!!!
No, no no - you missed it - it was a QT joke. Of course they don't ring it's a homage/joke.
Just as kitchen knifes don't make the swishing noise like that - but the effect is beefed up - it's a style/joke/reference/just bloody funny - I laughed so much in that movie at all the little things - people were looking at me I'm sure!
The ringing, the swishing - it's like the blood pouring out of the henchmen... etc. Increased for effect - I'm sure there is some movie/cinema name for it.
Andrew
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Grossly exaggerated reality?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah, probably... but something more artistically pretentious. Hyperrealism? Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Artistic liberty.
But I don't agree the swordscreech was an injoke, more like a preset genre standard. The punches and swooshes were new for a Tarantino movie, kind of a barometer for the audience in the first fight, setting the bar and showing us what we should expect of it.
The ringing of the blade is more realistic, a well-made blade should carry vibrations back and forth, like a tuning fork. The intense ring of Uma's sword I guess is a kind of telltale it's a Hattori Hanzo sword, stronger and more solid than anything else.
I would also agree that if your pulse is high enough at the point of decapitation, your veins would spray violently, though you'd have to be pretty worked up for it to work. What would be really tough would be if the victim was at the beginning of a good puking at the point of decapitation, that would look crazy.
Who was that sheriff that got spit on by Uma in the beginning? It looked like David Carradine, but I wasn't 100% sure.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
quote:Originally posted by Proteus: Well. I thought the movie was complete ass. Being artsy for the sake of being artsy. If you want to see an artistic movie done right, see Run Lola Run.
Run Lola Run.
Artistic Movie Done Right.
Pinnacle of Artistic Film.
Artistic Film.
Art.
Yeah, I echo his sentiments.
Go see Run Lola Run.
For an Artistic Film Done Right.
Kill Bill was too Artistic.
Art.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Kill Bill takes art and ****s it in the *** with a ***** ****** ****.
I haven't seen *** Lola ***, I did see "Bourne Identity" and she wasn't anything special. She could've been a winner of the first prize in a docusoap, "play in a movie against a known actor".
***.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Wait, so Kill Bill is bad because its art for arts sake? Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
No, it's **** for ****'s sake.
Seriously, it's a poetic action movie, asian style, in a very nice package, in fact one of the nicest, cinematographically. At the same time it is rough, vulgar and ethically insulting. In other words, good fun!
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Jesus H Christ in a chickenbasket.
So I was browsing through the mp3's on an old CD-R disc, found "Nancy Sinatra - These Boots Were Made For Walking", from 1995, oldest file on my computer now. Nice.
The file next to it, "Nancy Sinatra - Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down)". I'd forgotten I had it. While listening to it again I keep wondering, can one die of goosebumpsy?
Another fun fact: As I said, KB was the opening movie for the Stockholm movie festival, the organizers tried to get Quentin to be there and cut the ribbon but Miramax wouldn't let him, he is currently deep in editing "Volume Two".
He did send us a message though, it said that ten years ago, as he was in Sweden for the "Pulp Fiction" promotion tour and premiere, he was writing the main draft for "Kill Bill" here, in the limo, in the hotel room, anywhere. Wrote about ten pages then just let it rest, the rest is history.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So Sweden gave him writer's block for a decade? Thanks a lot. Fuckers.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Nope. See, we inspired him, but when he came back home to you fuckers it all went on the backburner.
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) but it was brave to show the stump of Sofie Fatale's arm, and the later close-ups. Hey, I like gore if it's done well. *shrugs*