25. the Matrix Reloaded 2003 24. The Next Karate Kid 1994 23. Porky's II: The Next day 1983 22. Teen Wolf Too 1987 21. Legally Blonde 2: red, white & blonde 2003 20. The Godfather part III 1990 19. Revenge of the Nerds II: nerds in paradise 1987 18. Battle for the Planet of the Apes 1973 17. Star Trek V: the final frontier 1989 16. Ocean's Twelve 2004 15. Dumb and Dumberer: when harry met Lloyd 2003 14. Conan the Destroyer 1984 13. The Sting II 1983 12. Star Wars: Episode I � The Phantom Menace 1999 11. Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights 2004 10. Jaws: The Revenge 1987 9. Speed 2: Cruise Control 1997 8. Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan 1989 7. The Fly II 1989 6. Weekend At Bernie's II 1993 5. Batman & Robin 1997 4. Blues Brothers 2000 1998 3. Leprechaun: Back 2 Tha' Hood 2003 2. CaddyShack II 1988 1. Staying Alive 1983
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I agree with 99.999% of that list.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
I gotta say though that Ocean's Twelve wasn't that bad.
Not great by any stretch, but not awful enough to make this list.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Julia Roberts playing herself... as a key part of the plot...? Um, yah, that was bad.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
What about the last Police Academy Movie?
2010, Odyssey II?
Alien, ReSUCKeration?
Jason X? (Though I have to admit I laughed at Lexa Doig and Lisa Ryder being in the film. ALMOST wanted them to take the mask off and reveal Kevin Sorbo)
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Alien Resurrection was better than Alien 3, by a long shot. 2010 was a good movie in its own right, even if not thematically similar to 2001. But yes, most of the Police Academy and Jason movies probably belong on there. My question is, where's Nemesis?
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
At least two of those are prequels.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'm just puzzled as to why they think that "The Final Frontier" was better than "The Phantom Menace".
quote:At least two of those are prequels.
sequel: a published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.
In this case, "earlier" refers to the date of publication, not the timeframe of the events of the work. Also,
prequel: a story or movie containing events that precede those of an existing work : ORIGIN 1970s: from pre- [before] + sequel .
Etymologically, therefore, "prequel" designates a subset of works that are sequels. (Source: The Oxford American Dictionary)
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
quote: Alien Resurrection was better than Alien 3, by a long shot. 2010 was a good movie in its own right, even if not thematically similar to 2001. But yes, most of the Police Academy and Jason movies probably belong on there. My question is, where's Nemesis?
Omega - it's in a list of it's own - movies so bad that even die hard fans (ie. the ones that dress up) refuse to acknowledge it's existance.
It's there with Superman 3 (the one with Richard Pryor and 'don't smoke kids'), Superman 4 (even worse with Nuclear Man), Rocky 4 (with an equaly excruicating anti cold war speech), Rocky 5 (with Rocky beating up some kid who he failed to train), Highlander 2 (like Highlander, but poo), Son of the Mask, Curse of the Pink Panter (the one with Roger Moore) and Look Who's Talking Too (it's the dogs).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Superman 3 is like Easy Rider compared to 4. Pryor inadvertantly skiing down a skyscraper > Mariel Hemingway taking a relaxing space cruise. THEN THEY SHOVE THE MOON AROUND. Also, the printing press at the newspaper looks a lot like the freaky machine in Superman 3. I'm not saying I'm worried about being attacked by an old woman cyborg, but let's just say I keep an eye on the exits.
But the idea of the list is, it seems, that one bad sequel, versus that endless stream of awful.
Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection.
Really, I'm not so sure series are as interesting, in this context, as the idea of a good movie followed by a completely unnecessary sequel. (I'm not sure what to do with a terrible movie that gets an equally terrible sequel; like, who cares?)
I've related this anecdote before, but after 9 years what hasn't been, so, when they were building a new theater a decade ago in Yakima, they engaged some local artist in the painting of a movie-themed mural. The films depicted include: Apollo 13 (which had been released the year before), First Contact (which had just come out, but is the Enterprise E really the iconic image you want to promote The Modern Cinema?), The Ten Commandments (which would make sense, if it was a mural composed of classic films, but it so isn't), SUPERMAN 4: THE QUEST FOR PEACE (specifically a recreation of the movie poster/VHS box, with Superman zooming up with a nuclear warhead in tow), and I'm not sure what else. ET maybe. It is the most haphazard collection of images, is my point, and doesn't get me ready to buy popcorn so much as it induces a deep existential confusion.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon: and Look Who's Talking Too (it's the dogs).
Look Who's Talking Now was the one with the dogs talking. Why I remember that about a movie I couldn't stand to watch for even sixty seconds, I have no idea.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Maybe he meant (it's the dog's bollocks).
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Maybe he meant (it's the dog's bollocks).
quote:I can't see you I can't hear you You don't see me You couldn't be me Who cares wins Anthrax, 'Who cares wins'
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
So are you just reposting the results of random Google queries, or is there some method to your consistent nonsensicality?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I agree with most of that list except:
Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan is actually extremely good- (for that kind of slasher flick) absolutely hilarious and intentionally funny. The only one of those movies worth watching- particularly the scene where he punches this boxing guy's head clean off with one hit! Or when Jason is confronted by a gang of street punks and flashes his macette- they're all "It's cool" and back off- and he lets them all go!
Seriously- it's worth renting.
Matrix Reloaded: that movie is really a great sequel that has a baaaad (Revolutions) finalle. I think they're judging the two sequels to the Matrix as one thing and that's not fair.
I'd add any Stephen King movie that got a sequel he did not write to that list- Sleepwalkers 2, Sometimes They Come Back-Again!, Pet Semetary 2, Carrie 2, etc.
All of the Tremors sequels should be up there.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I want to see a picture of that mural. And, what's wrong with Conan the Destroyer? It's not like Barbarian was exactly high art. . . Unless they're penalising it for the lack of any line like "To hear duh cries and lamentations of dere vomen!"
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What about sequals to movies that just DON'T REQUIRE A SEQUAL!!
Cube II and III Cruel Intentions II and III
*I have NOT seen these movies*.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, uh, here is a picture where you can't actually see the mural much at all, but it is the best I could find.
I don't own a camera, but I'll see what I can do.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
I'd like to see it too. How Superman 4 and The Ten Commandments could be reconciled is of keen interest. A morbid fascination.
RE the list: I'd argue that American Psycho 2 or any number of the Police Academy sequels might be considerably worse than several of their selections. As someone who has paid cash-y money to own Starship Troopers 2 on DVD, I feel I may be especially suited to sussing these things out. To that end, I worry that Halloween was underrepresented. I wasn't sure whether the presumption was that the original was a great movie and the follow-ons crap, or whether it was just talking about shitty movies that just happen to be sequels. Not being versed in the canon of Iron Eagle or the Delta Force sagas, it probably wouldn't be fair for me to judge. Also 2 Fast, 2 Furious.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Well, uh, here is a picture where you can't actually see the mural much at all, but it is the best I could find.
I don't own a camera, but I'll see what I can do.
OMG Where is this place - those barren hills in the background it looks like Mars or the Moon!
Maybe there is some common thread that runs between all of the pictures in the mural... and the artist thought he was really clever when he painted it. Maybe you've got to find the connection to unlock the deeper mystery... WHY are they making a Night Rider movie?????
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Knight Rider.
Why not? As long as the car isn't crap like it was on "Knight Rider 2000". And as long as it pretends "Team Knight Rider" never ever happened.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
All of the Tremors sequels should be up there.
Come on....Reba with GUNS! You know the country boy in you just had to have his....um....heart....throbbing at that!
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
Highlander sequals should definately be up there.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: What about sequals to movies that just DON'T REQUIRE A SEQUAL!!
Like "Men in Black II"... or "Home Alone"...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
What about Back to the Future 2? I don't think anyone's mentioned that one. The rehashing of all the jokes from the first one. The fact that they completely ignored one of the "rules" of time travel the set up in the first movie as a major part of the plot for the second (i.e. when you travel to the future, you skip over all that time; thus when Doc took Marty into the future, his children shouldn't have existed because Marty wouldn't have existed for all that time).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
What? When was that established in the first movie?
And the second one is arguably my favorite, with their attempts to go round and fix all of Biffy's temporal incursions. Braxton would be proud...
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Reba isn't in any of the Tremors sequels; Tremors itself is great; Tremors 2 has its moments.
quote:OMG Where is this place - those barren hills in the background it looks like Mars or the Moon!
This from an Australian. Anyway, it's just, you know, home.
I guess you can blame some of it on Lake Missoula, though the real excitement was all to the northeast of where I'm sitting.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Not being versed in the canon of Iron Eagle or the Delta Force sagas..."
Iron Eagle II--AWESOME. Iron Eagle III & Iron Eagle IV--not so much.
STILL think Louis Gossett, Jr. would've been a WAY better Joseph Sisko than Brock Peters.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: What about sequals to movies that just DON'T REQUIRE A SEQUAL!!
Like "Men in Black II"... or "Home Alone"...
True - about Home Alone - the plot contrivance repeating itself was rediculous - but you could say that added (minorly) to the humour.
MIBII - well if they did it correctly - especially with the ending of the first movie - they could have made a whole bunch of movies based on the idea (let's hope they don't).
So what I'm saying is - movies where the first movie so definitively finishes that there is no room for a sequal.
CUBE and Cruel Intentions come to mind - their story only fits the first movie - anything else they should just call it another movie.
Anything else?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System:
quote:OMG Where is this place - those barren hills in the background it looks like Mars or the Moon!
This from an Australian. Anyway, it's just, you know, home.
I guess you can blame some of it on Lake Missoula, though the real excitement was all to the northeast of where I'm sitting.
Heheheh - yeah I live in Australia but not in like Coober Peady or Woomera or the Simpson Desert!
So those mountains/ranges are actually quite lush - covered in grass lands? I think in the cinema pick (taken at dusk it seems) - I'm used to seeing ranges like that in Australia where it's nothing but red dirt. I didn't expect to see such a thing in Washington State. Maybe out in the 'middle' of the US. Looks quite beautiful.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"So those mountains/ranges are actually quite lush - covered in grass lands?"
No. Sagebrush and, I don't know, various weird and pokey deserty grasses, sure. Lush is inaccurate.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
quote:What about Back to the Future 2? I don't think anyone's mentioned that one. The rehashing of all the jokes from the first one. The fact that they completely ignored one of the "rules" of time travel the set up in the first movie as a major part of the plot for the second (i.e. when you travel to the future, you skip over all that time; thus when Doc took Marty into the future, his children shouldn't have existed because Marty wouldn't have existed for all that time).
The reason it wasn't mentioned was because BttF 2 was a worthy sequel, and a good movie in its own right. Yes, it rehashed the jokes from the first movie, because the whole trilogy is full of running jokes; it's on purpose, and works to good comedic effect. You're right about the fact that Marty and Jennifer shouldn't've existed in 2015 when they got there, but the movies weren't so much about having flawless temporal logic.
Oh, and while Hypercube sucked, Cube Zero was definitely worth seeing.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Shik wrote:
quote:Iron Eagle II--AWESOME.
Oh yes, with the russians in their traditional F-4E Phantominovs. And how is it that though the american guys were the best of the best pilots for the job, one of them was claustrophobic and bipolar? A lot of egg on face for the US air force.
Speaking of "best of the best", while I don't think "Best of the Best" is one of the great action movies, it had its moments (and James Earl Jones), but those sequels... I watched the second one, where Chris Penn got killed by Wayne Newton in a pit fight tournament (well, his german steroid monster). Just how many times have we heard the phrase "The only rule is THERE ARE NO RULES" in a mortal combat arena? I think TOS-"Amok Time" was the first one.
At least Sonny Landham got to be in it and do something since Predator, although he had to puke in character... By the way, I went to www.SonnyLandham.Com, the opening page is priceless.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Wow. Java and Quicktime both on just the first page. How exceedingly unnecessary.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: "Not being versed in the canon of Iron Eagle or the Delta Force sagas..."
Iron Eagle II--AWESOME. Iron Eagle III & Iron Eagle IV--not so much.
STILL think Louis Gossett, Jr. would've been a WAY better Joseph Sisko than Brock Peters.
Yeah, but he just turned 70 fucking years old last week- too damn old to really distance the character from Picard's aincent ass.
They missed the VERY worst sequel of all time: Howling IV- The Marsupials. That's right- kangaroo werewolves on a $50 budget. Holy shit- trippin peyote is no excuse for that...thing.
All of the Ghoulies and Critters movies should rank up there (although Critters 3 is Leonardo Dicaprio's laughably bad first movie).
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote:Originally posted by bX: To that end, I worry that Halloween was underrepresented.
Halloween III: Season of the Witch. One of the worst sequels ever. I mean, where was the witch?
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Out of season?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump:
quote:Originally posted by bX: To that end, I worry that Halloween was underrepresented.
Halloween III: Season of the Witch. One of the worst sequels ever. I mean, where was the witch?
That's because it was never suppoised to be a "Halloween" movie. The movie was just titled "The Season of The Witch" and was a Carpenter stand-alone flick. Rumors abounded about a new Carpenter Halloween movie and the studio tacked that "Halloween 3" crap on there without Carpenter's consent for the name recognition.
Viewed as a stand-alone 80's horror movie, it's pretty good- very original concept.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: What? When was that established in the first movie?
When Doc demonstrates the Delorean in the parking lot of the mall, he makes a big fuss about how Einstein's watch is exactly one minute behind. "He skipped over that minute to instantaneously arrive at this moment in time."
It would be like Einstein disappearing in the Delorean at 1:03 am and arriving at 1:04 to find the dogfood he threw up at 1:03:30.
Oh... and I saw Hypercube and agree that it blew. I still have no idea what happened. But I've not seen Cube Zero yet. I'm waiting for my wife to go out of town for the weekend, at which point I will do the trilogy.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Getting around to the eventual turn of the thread, I'd like to nominate 2 for the list of the best sequels:
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
The Godfather: Part II (1974)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune:
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: What? When was that established in the first movie?
When Doc demonstrates the Delorean in the parking lot of the mall, he makes a big fuss about how Einstein's watch is exactly one minute behind. "He skipped over that minute to instantaneously arrive at this moment in time."
It would be like Einstein disappearing in the Delorean at 1:03 am and arriving at 1:04 to find the dogfood he threw up at 1:03:30.
Okay, but can't we therefore assume that the Doc and Marty that got committed / crippled / whatever ARE their future sleves who went through all that fun with the Delorean, went back to their (slightly improved) timelines only to get everything mucked up by Biff? Marty wouldn't have been crippled in the race with Needles had he not gone thorugh all the fun in the first movie and won himself the truck; Doc could easily hae been committed if he'd been through all that mess in 1955 and spewed his theories to everyone in the first place without being tempered by his later 1955 experiences in BTTF3.
Time travel. Tricky business. Unpredictable.
Besides, Doc went through this initial spiel with exactly ONE SUCCESSFUL EXPERIMENT under his belt, that being Einstein. He could have been just wrong with his temporal mechanics to begin with, and covered his mistake with a bunch of new technobabble that Marty couldn't understand anyway.
Mark
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
According to a knowledgable friend and based on BttF 3, Doc apparently knew nothing about cars. It's quite possible he was BSing other things as well.
I mean, come on. Jiggawatts?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: I mean, come on. Jiggawatts?
He may have been pronouncing the G in Gigawatts as a 'jh'.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Pronouncing "giga-" with an initial soft 'g' was, in fact, commonplace at one time.
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