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[QUOTE]Originally posted by HMS White Star: [QB] First said "Only God can KNOW what MUST happen, due to His omniscience. He knows, by definition, that things CANNOT be any other way. (In other words, an omniscient God KNEW the snake was in Eden, KNEW it would tempt Eve, KNEW she would eat the apple, KNEW she would get Adam to as well, ALL IN ADVANCE!) This, of course, would mean that the punishment afterwards was a sham. That Eden was a set-up." The first point is correct God knows everything so he knows how stuff will happen not must happen, there always more than one option. The stuff about Eden is true to. So what's the problem, well Free Will (I have said that a lot) means than God has to let us to decide for ourselves, otherwise we would be mindless drones. Either free Will or mindless drones there really nothing in between. Eden wasn't a set up Eden was when God gave us an option, and Adam and Eve made the wrong choice, if God stopped them, no free will. First said "In a Just universe, Superdude would have looked down. "Hmm. Snake in the garden. Nasty little bugger. Can't have that, the Tree of Knowledge is tempting enough on its own." *Zaps Snake to cinders*" Actually in the so called "Just" Universe, Superdude would have never forbidden Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, because without being forbidden there is no sin (however they would still have the knowledge of good and evil). However in the Real Universe God forbid them to eat the fruit, which is actually loving, since he didn't want them to know there was good and bad, to believe there is only good, which is like a parent trying to shield a child from all the bad in the world. Anyway the temptation didn't come from the Snake just the devil itself, the snake is a symbol of the Devil's tempting, it would happened anyway. Sure God could have stopped the Snake from tempting, but like a parent instead holding on to there child the let the child try to walk, knowing they could (and likely will fall). Why because they want there child to grow up. We fell, I know God didn't like that, but after the fall he didn't just waive his hand and make it go away (since he's all powerful he could do that), but he let us grow up to be like adults and he loses some along the way. I really can't defend what God does or does do. What I do know is he has plan for everyone, whether we follow the plan is another story. Frankly, I have no idea why God does what he does and allows the Universe to happen, I wouldn't what to know why. Now I have my Own problems to worry about which is loving God. I didn't know why I believed, but wasn't really religious and really didn't love anyone. Until I was told in blunt terms that I didn't love myself. The funny thing is it is comply true, I don't love myself or anyone else. O well those are small problems compared to yours First. First I have one question for you, do you in any way blame yourself for your beloved's death. Before you explode on me, I mean in any way, like saying "I could have done something" or "I could have done more" (or something like that). Think about it for a while and search your heart. If you do blame yourself forgive yourself I am sure the person you loved didn't what you to carry all this pain around. Ok you can explode on me now. Sorry for the dime store psycology, now I going to get flamed now and ever more. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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