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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cartmaniac: [QB] You can sue me later. [i]The evidence was presented months ago...[/i] ...and yet, after turning Iraq upside down and inside out for over FOUR MONTHS, not a trace of it has been recovered. Which means that said WMDs are either INCREDIBLY well hidden, or you're chasing geese. Wild ones. With goslings. [i]It's too late now to argue the case for war, the war has already happened. United States and United Kingdom military forces are stuck in a military occupation/peace-keeping role in Iraq until a new government is elected and this government can defend itself from internal and external opposition.[/i] The US and the UK knowingly chose to commit their forces, not just to the war, but also to Iraq's reconstruction. THEY are responsible for tearing it down, and THEY have the obligation to help the country back on its feet. Actions have CONSEQUENCES. [i]If the reasons for, or justifications of, the war prove to be invalid or incorrect, what sort of remedy should be applied? Should Saddam Hussein and the surviving Bath party members be restored as the government of Iraq? I don't think anyone thinks that is a good idea.[/i] No, but Bush should impeached for LYING and beguiling his countrymen, as should Blair. If Clinton gets the shaft for something as trivial as screwing his secretary, then, proportionally, Bush should be incarcerated for life. [i]It is a matter of historical fact that Iraq had active nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs.[/i] The ones that came to a grinding HALT in '98 and have not been restarted since? Active programs leave traces too. You can't build an entire ABC infrastructure and then cloak it, you know. [i]The government of Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated its willingness to use chemical weapons in the battlefield, as it did against Iranian army forces in the Iran-Iraq war, and against Kurds in northern Iraq.[/i] Actually, it was ENCOURAGED to do so by certain American parties which shall remain nameless here, but in any event, that willingness must have suddenly slackened during the invasion because even Fox did not report use of chemical weapons. Hmm. [i]Should the United States and the United Kingdom have waited until the government of the Iraq had WMD deployed in the field before declaring war?[/i] Like the degree of patience they have shown Korea, which has well-nigh put the damn things on the fucking market? [i]If Saddam Hussein did not have viable WMD, he would have soon acquired them. Effort was certainly being expended to their development and deployment.[/i] Probably, but again, the situation in Korea merits URGENT attention, yet isn't given nearly as much as the "crisis" in Iraq, so... [i]Regarding the argument that the Iraq war was motivated by oil, what other reason do you require? The economies of Europe, Japan, and the United States require relatively cheap crude oil from the Middle East. If energy prices would have risen, or the supply of crude oil from the Middle East had been disrupted, the current recession would have deepened and our current economic woes would be worse than they are now.[/i] Oh, so in other words, we're allowed to trample over and exploit sovereign states whenever our own economy's in the gutter? Thank you. That is EXACTLY what I've always wanted to hear from Rob, though he's smart enough not to admit it in public. [i]However the events play themselves out in the next couple of months or years, George Bush and Tony Blair should be commended for the public service they have preformed for the world by removing a thugish dictator and his brutal regime.[/i] Should they also be commended for LYING, and for NOT making humanitarian conditions their primary concern (which would have sold the war on a LOT more people, incidentally)? Of course, there are about FIFTY other nations I can name of the top of my head where even MORE appaling conditions exist, but hey... [i]The reasons aren't important...[/i] I see. Well, if they aren't important, I'll just trespass, loot and pillage YOUR land and claim I'm doing it for my personal protection. [i]Economic sanctions were clearly not working and only resulted in the death and suffering of innocent Iraqis. How many more decades of economic sanctions against Iraq would have passed, and how many more Iraqis would have died, to allow for a diplomatic solution?[/i] Oh, I agree. Those sanctions should never have been imposed in the first place. [i]Further, it is intolerable to a nation to have foreign powers enforce a "no-fly zone" over the majority of its territory.[/i] Uhm, yes. That's why Iraq challenged the zones. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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