"Safe sex" assumes that kids will have sex no matter what we say to them. If this is true, won't they drink no matter what we say also? If so, shouldn't we be teaching them how to drive drunk?

If the above isn't so, then why are condoms being handed out to the students? If you can avoid driving drunk by refusing to drive if you're gonna drink and vice versa, then why can't you avoid the unwanted consequences of sexual activity by abstaining until you have found a faithful partner?

Somebody 'splain this to me?

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This series has been wonderful, and the way the youth pastor has gone about presenting it has helped a lot. Instead of just taking the normal adult stance of "Don't do it." he's been talking to us in real life terms and telling us the FACTS about it. Not just statistics on pregnancy and diseases, but the facts about the emotional stress that can go with it, and the life long consequences that follow.

I truly feel that this is THE most worthwhile thing I've ever sat through, and I truly wish everyone could sit through it. It's opened my eyes to a lot of things, and I know it's opened the eyes of a lot of my friends, too.

What we need is for kids to be exposed to THIS kind of information... real life, down to earth, terms that kids can understand and relate to type of input, instead of the sugar coated "This is how to have sex safely" or just the "Don't do it" lecture. If kids feel that they are being spoken to at their OWN level, rather than being spoken DOWN to, then they are more likely to respond, and in the case of the youth group, the responce is wonderful.

There... my two cents....

~LOA

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The main difference, as far as I can see, is that having a nice glass of your choice of poison is not part of an instinctual response.

You have to go well out of your way to have a drink. All sex requires is good looks, money, and a bit of free time. And to be fair, most people do without the first two and get by fine on the third.

Being an American, I come into the world with an inate sense of the horrible shamefulness of sex. Other countries don't necessarily share that cultural view. And yet, they aren't exploding with teen pregnancy. Why? It would seem that there is a large difference between understanding the thing and simply fearing it.

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They Might Be Giants
 

On a similar note, I read an article in "Dear Abby" about the difference between having sex and making love. It goes on to say that sex is a very selfish act. Having sex is just sexual gratification, and not something that is mutual. On the other hand, making love is something that is shared between two people. Its not just sexual gratification, but a mutual love for each other.

Ok, too much mushy stuff...

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"We are all a product of the environment we live in.... the rest, good or bad, may be free will." Charles C. Bohnam
 

Though, I believe very strongly that if children grew up learning about alcohol, learning about moderation and the proper way to drink things... basically, if drinking was legal no matter the age and parents taught their children HOW to drink, there would be less of a problem. It is proven that in societies where children are taught how to drink, there is less mystery, less taboo, and less need to drive drunk.

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12 days and counting........
*HUGE EFFING BIGASS GRIN*
"Never underestimate the light side .......... ...... of duct tape."

And while the temptation may be greater to have sex, the rewards of waiting are strong as well. It's a very personal thing. I intend to wait. Whether or not you do is your own business.

However, I must say this. I am well aware of sexual desire. Everyone is. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have sex. Many people say it is a sin. I consider myself Christian, but wanting to have sex isn't a sin. It's biology. But I don't agree with acting on those desires. I accept that its natural, and our instincts. But mankinds ability to master their instincts is what separates us from animals. (Well, that and medicine, electricity, flight, language...)

Sex is a good thing. It should be reserved for someone who you truly love. How do you prove you love someone? Marry them. That way you know you're not being taken advantage of, and they know the same. Sex should come out of something greater, not lead to it.

And that's all I have to say about that.

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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...

 

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Think of it this way, at least we will be in prison together.
Tom to B'Lanna, upon reaching Earth and and being arrested by Tuvok.

 

Sad, but true.

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They Might Be Giants
 

DON'T SHAG AND DRIVE!, You can't concentrate on the road and you'll have a false sense of confidence after the experience.

It wouldn't surprise me if these governments actually stoop that low.

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The public is wonderfully tolerant - it forgives everything except Genius.

Nowhere does the Bible say that sex is wrong. In fact it says that sex between married couples pleases God.

Saying sex is a sin is like saying that eating is a sin, it is a neccessary biological function (for the human race to survive at least)

Assuming that everyone will have sex makes a lot of sense. So teaching them how to avoid unwanted pregnancies and STD's is a good idea.

On the other hand, a 'drinking virgin' out on his first night at the pub will not catch a lfe threatening disease or create a human life. He COULD kill someone by driving while drunk, so warning against that makes sense.

Drinking by itself isn't illegal (over 18/21 anyway). Neither is having sex. However, they can both result in unfortunate circumstances. It makes sense to protect against them. Saying that you should wait several decades before finding a suitible partner to have sex with is like saying never drive until there is absolutly no chance of dying in a crash. There are risks involved with both things. But you can reduce the chances of anything happening until they are low enough for you to deeem them acceptible. You put on a seatbelt when driving, you use a condom when having sex.

You can hardly compare being a designated driver (which is a one night thing) to abstaining from sex until marriage (which is decades long).

Sex is a natural thing. Sure, we can override our instincts and wait until we are married. But why should we? OUr instincts are generally there for a reason. If god didn't want us to have sex before marriage, why'd he make it such a strong natural urge anyway?

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'You want the moon on a stick, don't you?'
-Richard Herring

Hmm...L. Ron Hubbard was right. This IS easy.

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They Might Be Giants
 

(and yes, I am not a repressive-feeling kinda guy; I crave sex too.)

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What you gain in life is not as important as WHAT YOU LEAVE BEHIND!

It's the sensible thing to do, and then people can go out there and make up their own minds.

Bryce: I don't think there's many men alive who don't crave sex.

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Blackadder: I'm King *drops dead*

Of course, Job shows us that, plus just how much power God is willing to let Satan have..
"Thou movest Me [God] against him [Job], to destroy him without cause."

Hmm...

Satan controls the media.. yeah.. and TV evangelism was his best idea ever!

That all sounds very much like "what I like is of God, what I don't like is of Satan."

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You're just JEALOUS because the little voices talk to ME!

*shrugs* oh well. enough of this ranting of mine

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"The Force is like duct tape: it has a dark side and a light side, and it holds the universe together"
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All I was trying to was that the media turns are healthy craving for sex into an unhealthy one.

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What you gain in life is not as important as WHAT YOU LEAVE BEHIND!

[This message was edited by bryce on May 25, 1999.]

[This message was edited by bryce on May 25, 1999.]
 

OT: 'Lord, I accidently thought of a naughty word'
God: Then I shall cast you from heaven, and make all your children hideous cripples, your daughters shall be sterile, and you will be hacked to death with rusty knives

NT: Lord, I accidently slept with a married woman
God: Are you sorry?
NT guy: Sorta
God: Good enough. come on into heaven.

Besides, I'm not following your argument. God gave us these urges to have sex, but expected us to restrain them until we are married. Righhtttt. Makes perfect sense.

And to bring backa very tired religious point. If nothing evil comes from god, where does Satan come from? Microsoft?

And to answer Baloo's original point in a much shorter way.
Teaching people not to drive IS teaching them about safe drinking.
So kid's are taught safe sex, and safe drinking. They are taught that drinking and driving is wrong. They are taught that (for example) rape is wrong. I don't see any dichotamy here. (is that the right word, or would double-standards make more sense)

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'You want the moon on a stick, don't you?'
-Richard Herring

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

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They Might Be Giants
 

Methinks the First One has made the most pertinent observation.
Y'all heed his words, m'kay?

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"Now then, I believe Random Pavarotti disease is a psychological ailment and we should find it in the otherworldliness of Vince's brain."
"Ohw, rubbish. I reckon Random Pavarotti disease is a physical condition......
Let's go and look at 'is bum!"

-Rex the Runt

Sex is natural
sex is good
not everybody does it
but everybody should.

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"Now then, I believe Random Pavarotti disease is a psychological ailment and we should find it in the otherworldliness of Vince's brain."
"Ohw, rubbish. I reckon Random Pavarotti disease is a physical condition......
Let's go and look at 'is bum!"

-Rex the Runt

Give me a day or so, and I can probably even pull up some scripture quotes that show that evil things can and do sometimes come directly from the Big G.

Funny, God keeps designing these systems with built-in flaws, then getting mad when they break.

>"The OT God and the NT God are different"
Well, that's funny, I thought the label read "One God, Eternal, Changeless." I want my money back.

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[This message was edited by First of Two on May 26, 1999.]
 

So, Lee. This sex thing. How much would you recommend it? Is it worth 4 stars? Or does the slight tiredness and hunger reduce it to 3 stars? Not forgetting the cleaning bill.

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'You want the moon on a stick, don't you?'
-Richard Herring

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'His limbs flail about as if independent from his body!'
-Chandler Bing on Michael Flatley.