) is to allow anyone to post something about the opposite sex that really turns your crank backwards. The rules are few:Keep in mind that "Well, you're just an idiot!" is not considered a logical refutation of anyone's position.
I will begin:
I hate it when something's bugging you, but you won't tell me what it is when I ask. "If you cared, you'd know." I care, but psionic ability has never been my strong suit.
It seems that when you don't tell me what's wrong when I ask, you are saying "I don't care about you enough to let you know what you could be doing to strengthen our relationship. I would rather keep you in suspense because it gives me a sense of power over you. I don't care about your feelings -- only mine."
Just in case you don't know me, I am a heterosexual male. The next three answers should come from females. After that, I suppose it's a matter of who manages to ask the next question.
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I'm not uncouth.
I'm differently mannered.
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What turns my thermo up even more than that is when you tell someone to back off, and she won't.
This is not a matter of saying 'leave me alone', but could basically translate to 'If a male had driven me this far I'd be beating his head in with a big stick by now'. So I wonder, why don't they?
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"Diplomacy is the art of Internationalising an issue to your advantage"
Also, I've always thought that diplomacy was the art of telling someone to go to hell and make him eager to buy the ticket.
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Daniel Henderson
Senior Babylon 5 Editor
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*sigh*
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"I do whatever the voice of Charles Capps tells me to do."
Thank you ladies.
P.S.: Check out rule #3.
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I'm not uncouth.
I'm differently mannered.
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[This message has been edited by Baloo (edited July 25, 1999).]
Well, sometimes women are being bothered but there's really no reason they know, so they are trying to think why on earth they are upset.... and sometimes things you guys do bother us, but we know that we're being bothered for stupid things like when you leave the seat up, and that we shouldn't be angry, so we're just staying away from people to get over it quietly. *L*
Usually, when you get the "If you cared, you'd know", it means that we are angry at YOU. Now, sometimes we don't even know WHY we're angry at you.. and sometimes it's just something about you that we know is never going to change, and we've decided to live with anyway. I seem to recall Baloo at one point saying that love is knowing every single fault about your partner and loving them anyway. Well, we love you and accept that these are your faults....but that doesn't mean we can't get angry about them every once in a while. ..
My tips: .... Don't say "What did I do?" .. because your woman is going to either laugh at you are WHACK you very hard for not knowing what she thinks is SO OBVIOUSLY a problem. The best thing to say is "If it's anything i've done, I'm sorry.... and i'm here to talk about it if you need me." . ...
This lets the woman know that you would like to be forgiven for being a big dumb male (which you are, on occasion.. *LOL*) and also lets the woman know that she CAN talk to you about that annoying habit of leaving the seat up without fear of being laughed and or yelled at.
(of course, this is just MY take on it.... obviously not all women are the same. *LOL*)
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"Angels, answer me,
are you near if rain should fall?
Am I to believe
you will rise to calm the storm?
For so great a treasure words will never do.
Surely, if this is, promises are mine to give you.
mine to give........ "
~ Enya
I'm just going to get this off my chest because it really bothers me... but i'm really not looking for a response because I'm not sure there is one.
It hurts very much to know that you schedule no specfic time in your life for me. It hurts to know that In your daily schedule I don't even get a half hour of your time laid aside for me... and I can understand that you're busy with things you need to get done. So am I. But I set aside a certain time to just talk to you, and it would be nice to know that you want to talk to me so much that you've blocked time out to do so... It makes me feel important when you stop everything you're doing to be with me.
And while we're on the topic, if you wanted to be with me so bad, you'd be doing anything in your power to see me... including things you don't want to do. Do you know how very upset it makes me when you say that certain jobs are demeaning and beneath you and that you wouldn't sacrifice your pride just for me? .... okay, I'm not sure I want to be with a man that has no pride... but you're missing the point.. any job that you put your mind to and TAKE pride in is a good job, and you don't have to sacrifice your pride at all. I'm a cashier in a grocery store, working more hours than I should and getting paid in peanuts...... We all know that I have more talent than that, and that I could be doing many other things. Perhaps being a grocery store clerk is beneath me. Perhaps it is demeaning. But I take pride in it, and i've almost gotten to the point where I like my job. So when you say that those jobs are demeaning... it makes me wonder if you think I have no pride. And it makes me wonder if we'll ever get anywhere at all... if you won't do a few things you don't like to have the end prize of me. Aren't i worth it? .. I mean, seriously, i'm begining to wonder about this one..... aren't I worth it? ...
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"Angels, answer me,
are you near if rain should fall?
Am I to believe
you will rise to calm the storm?
For so great a treasure words will never do.
Surely, if this is, promises are mine to give you.
mine to give........ "
~ Enya
"Women are inherantly evil and men are inherantly stupid"
Just thought I'd share that with ya!
~LOA
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"Show us the lost and dying world
Remove the scales from our eyes
And as we go through all the earth
May our hearts weep for our lives..." FOM '99
Why did you lead me on? Didn't you realize that I wasn't playing games with you? I openly admitted how much I liked you, did it cross your mind once that maybe you were trifling with my feelings?
Everything you did pointed me, or so I thought, in the direction of the idea that you were actually interested me...those playful looks across the room, all those highly suggestive ICQ messages while we sat at opposite parts of the office floor, and then finally your pile of clothes on my bedroom floor, you can't possibly be telling me I took these things the wrong way...?
How dare you tell me that you were only kidding, that the whole time you thought we were just messing around, that you thought it was all a big joke? If all you ever wanted was a friend, why the hell did you not tell me? I regretted not holding to my faith and not waiting till I was married, but I never regretted until now that it had been with you.
Yes, I'm a little bit bitter, and more confused by men than ever.
Seems to be a common practice. Good girl hooks up with bad boy. Good boy hooks up with bad girl. If only the good boys could manage to hook up with the good girls.
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"What is that? A tank?"
--Our Lord and Savior David Koresh, the Second Coming snuffed out before He could any good.
quote:
It seems that when you don't tell me what's wrong when I ask, you are saying "I don't care about you enough to let you know what you could be doing to strengthen our relationship. I would rather keep you in suspense because it gives me a sense of power over you. I don't care about your feelings -- only mine."
I do this sometimes. Okay, a lot. But when I do, I'm sorta in withdrawal. When it does happen, and even though I SAY I won't tell what's wrong, I still WANT the guy or whoever's there to know. So what it takes, Baloo, is a bit of prying. If you ask her what's wrong enough times, she'll probably tell you and feel better herself. But if you give up and leave her be, she'd probably get even more upset and think that you don't care about her enough to ask. Trust me on this.
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"I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know."
--Picard to Data, "In Theory"
I have the luxury of being able to look back on the debris of a number of relationships, each one I learned something from.
#1 Date exclusively. Someone seeing two other people may not choose you, even if you ARE the best choice.
#2 Sex and Star Trek alone are not enough to base a relationship on, no matter how good it seems.
#3 Never become emotionally involved with someone who was planning to enter a convent (or seminary) before they met you.
#4 Never get involved just to keep from being alone.
#5 If it sometimes seems that you're being used, you probably are. If you're dating a college dropout with $4000 in credit card bills and no job, who's not even LOOKING for a job, you're being used.
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"When we turn our back on our principles, we stop being human." -- Janeway, "Equinox"
I like to think of myself as a "nice girl" but I'm surely not an angel. I'm not perfect, nor will I ever claim to be. If I say I'll never hurt you, I'm lying. I'm sure someday, maybe not even meaning to, I will. It's true...it may not be a huge hurtful thing I'll do, but there's no denying during of the course of a relationship that reconcilliation will be necessary at some point along the way.
All I really want is love, compassion, understanding, and a good venue of communication...I want to wake up every morning next to the man of my dreams and always think fondly of the good times we've had, while the bad ones in comparison just melt away. Is that too much to ask for? 
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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...
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I'll get you for this Gadget!!!! MEEEEE-ROWWRRRR.
Do you realize how many of my nightmares include you now? .. Do you even understand, or comprehend, how completely fucked up my life is now? Thanks to you, I have learned that pretty things are beat up, taken advantage of, ruined, and destroyed.... thanks to you, I can't trust anyone or anything to stick around.... I can't let anyone into my life just in case they leave again. Do you know how hard that is?... Did you know, when you pinned me to the floor, that you weren't just taking my innocence, but my childhood, too? And did you know that it would turn me into a scared little girl for the rest of my life?
Did you know that your hands were the first I ever let touch me with complete trust and love..... and the last, as well? Did you know that?... Did you know that I scream out loud whenever anyone sneaks up on me and touches my back? .... Did you know that I can't even get close to the man I love because when he puts a hand on me it's scary?... Was that your intent to begin with? To ruin me for every other person in the world?
Did you know you ruined your daughters life?.. Do you care at all? I was your daughter, not your rag-doll .... Did you realize I had feelings? and WHY did you do it?.. You said you loved me... WHY did you do those things?..... Did you know that I still sit here, and question everything anyone else has ever taught me about love? Did you know that people think I have no emotions now? And did you know that the only way to make the hurting stop is to not feel anything at all? Did you understand what you were creating while you were being satisfied?......
And did you know that after all of that I still can't hate you?
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"Angels, answer me,
are you near if rain should fall?
Am I to believe
you will rise to calm the storm?
For so great a treasure words will never do.
Surely, if this is, promises are mine to give you.
mine to give........ "
~ Enya
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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...
My first impulse was to reply that we needed some volunteers to go find this guy and give him some wall-to-wall counselling (military slang for "beat the living hell outta him"). Before I acted, I realized that this would expend effort on a person who will in all probability find justice too soon for his tastes. It would also ignore the person who cried out in pain, Jubilee.
Jubes, on behalf of all the rest of the X-Y crowd, I would just like to let you know that he was not one of us. Not really. A real man does not abuse little girls. A real father nurtures his children and does not treat them like possessions. A real father does not make his child serve as a surrogate wife.
On behalf of the male sex, I apologize that such a monster ever cast its shadow in your life. You are the friend of many and I, for one, feel honored to be allowed to make your acquaintance.
--Baloo
I'm sorry guys if that came off a bit too scary, or if no one really knows how to reply, or if someone thinks it doesn't belong here..... I had to get it off my chest. I hope you all understand. If you want me to edit it out, or something, just say so, and I will.
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"It is important to get up when you fall...for this much I know to be true: That thing we call Failure is not in the falling down, but the staying down."
*cocks his shotgun*
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"Yeah, it hurt a bit, but the chicks dig it...."
-Prince Albert
Never, never, NEVER hug anyone carrying a loaded shotgun.
Bad.
Real bad.
Don't hug, Jubes! Just wave from a safe distance (~100 yards ought to do ).
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That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
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[This message has been edited by Baloo (edited July 30, 1999).]
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I can resist anything.......
Except Temptation
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"It is important to get up when you fall...for this much I know to be true: That thing we call Failure is not in the falling down, but the staying down."
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I'll get you for this Gadget!!!! MEEEEE-ROWWRRRR.
Karma's all well and good, if you believe in it. Those of us who don't, prefer taking action in THIS life, it being the only chance we get to even the scales.
I don't mean to slam anyone's beliefs, I just don't "get" it.
I am curious: What good does being punished in your next life do, if you don't remember the previous life? Like, what lesson are you supposed to learn, when you don't know what the mistake was? And when you won't remember the lesson in the life after that, anyway? At least in Hell (which I don't believe in either, not everlasting, in any case), you know why you're being punished.
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"When we turn our back on our principles, we stop being human." -- Janeway, "Equinox"
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"It is important to get up when you fall...for this much I know to be true: That thing we call Failure is not in the falling down, but the staying down."
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Saving the world: $50.
Saving the universe: $1,000,000
Saving your marraige: Sorry, I don't do that.
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"Have you ever seen a bloody egg? Glass in hand, laying up in bed?"
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They Might Be Giants
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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...
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"Seriously though, I love Earth. It's where I keep all my stuff." - Simon Sizer
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"What is that? A tank?"
--Our Lord and Savior David Koresh, the Second Coming snuffed out before He could any good.
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"Have you ever seen a bloody egg? Glass in hand, laying up in bed?"
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They Might Be Giants
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WHO ARE YOU?
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"Have you ever seen a bloody egg? Glass in hand, laying up in bed?"
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They Might Be Giants
The subject is what bugs you about the opposite sex. You got problems with faith, start a thread about it.
--Baloo
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A lot of things sound crazy. Next thing you know they're elected to Congress.
--Cecil Adams
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"Have you ever seen a bloody egg? Glass in hand, laying up in bed?"
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They Might Be Giants