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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
"Halloween is evil!" "It's Satanic!" "It's a wicked pagan holiday!"

I swear, if I hear those words from JUST ONE MORE Fundie Idiot, I'm gonna have to strangle 'em. For the sake of Humanity.

Kiddies.
1. Halloween started its existence as a harvest/equinox festival. It was called Samhain, in honor of the God of Death and Darkness. (PLEASE note that to these people, Death and Darkness were not EVIL things, just natural parts of life,which the year just happened to mimic. "It's the cirrrcle of liiiiife...") They were headed into the days of longer night and cold, and it seemed the whole world was dying off.
MY guess, although I could be wrong about this bit, is that it was originally AT the equinox, but was moved later in order to be on a single day on the new calendar, or to become All-Hallows Eve ( precursor to the very Christian All-Saints Day, Nov.1 )

2. These same folks had NO concept of the Christian "Satan." It didn't exist to them. Saying otherwise is false, libelous, and just plain ignorant.

3. The practice of dressing up came about due to the belief that the spirits of the dead could return on this day. Now, the spirits of the dead were not always unwelcome. Many sought to honor their ancestors (much as the Chinese do,) and welcomed their return any any advice they might give. However, some spirits were just plain NASTY, and the belief was that if you could fool these spirits into thinking you were one of them, they would let you be. Alternatively, if you were scary enough, they would FLEE from you. Hence, the meaning of dressing up is to SCARE the evil spirits, NOT to JOIN them.

4. Halloween today is no more a "pagan holiday" than are Christmas and Easter (which, as anyone moderately intelligent knows, were ALSO originally pagan festivals, and co-opted by Christianity. "Eostre" was a goddess.) Truthfully, they are all now just massive consumer orgies of buying and overindulgence. But we'll let that one go.

There, now I've vented, which will hopefully keep me from blasting all thout at the next Fundie Idiot I meet in the library who goes off about my decorations or my letting the kids dress up for story hour.

ANYONE who believes all that Halloween = Satanism crap is LIVING IN AN UNREAL WORLD. And they should crawl inside and seal the door shut after them.

*pant* *pant*

That's better.

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Posted by HMS White Star (Member # 174) on :
 
Halloween is Evil, Evil, Evvvviiiillll because I never got any candy.

O you mean is the date evil, errr no, there isn't anything worst than Christmas or Easter. Except for the "scary" costums.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
Arbor day, on the other hand...

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Post-edit P.S: Besides. This is the only time of the year (or so it seems) that you can actually find FRESH Tootsie Rolls. The rest of the year they're just petrified sticks of Chocolate.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
I dislike Hallowe'en, but that's only because I find the idea of parents sending children out to beg for candy absurd.

Ignore me.

And don't say that's too easy, Lee.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
That's too easy.

What? Some people do call me Lee y'know. ::

Besides, Haloween was just an attempt to draw attentin away from Bonfire Night.

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :
 
They showed us a video tape about the "evilness" of Halloween at church two years ago. Pretty propagandist stuff. I love Halloween, though. It's an excuse to wear my Starfleet uniform.

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Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :
 
"I got a rock." C. Brown

one might argue that the idea of a mind-reading trespasser in a red suit whose name is an anagram for 'satan' might perhaps be a little more evil that greedy extortionists demanding protection payments to feed their sugar jones. but not by much.
 


Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 

"1. Halloween started its existence as a harvest/equinox festival. It was called Samhain, in honor of the God of Death and Darkness."

Samhain doesn't commemorate the God of Death and Darkness. It's a harvest holiday in which we honor the sacrifice of the God of Wheat and Sun so that we will have food over the winter. It is also a celebration of rebirth, as we know the God will be born again at Yule.

"MY guess, although I could be wrong about this bit, is that it was originally AT the equinox, but was moved later in order to be on a single day on the new calendar"

Nope, Samhain has always been around this date. The Equinox holiday is "Mabon". You will notice that the Spanish tradition has their "Day of the Dead" the day after Samhain night. This is not a coincidence.

"These same folks had NO concept of the Christian "Satan." It didn't exist to them. Saying otherwise is false, libelous, and just plain ignorant."

True. Satan is a Christian creation that only exists inside the Christian religion. Gee, I wonder why that is?

"3. The practice of dressing up came about due to the belief that the spirits of the dead could return on this day...."

Yup on this one as well. Also, food was left out to honor the spirits of the ancestors who came to visit, and the Jack O Lanterns were to lead these dead ancestor spirits to your house, to make them feel welcome.

"4. Halloween today is no more a "pagan holiday" than are Christmas and Easter (which, as anyone moderately intelligent knows, were ALSO originally pagan festivals, and co-opted by Christianity. "Eostre" was a goddess.)

Indeed. Halloween has turned into a MOCKERY of the very sacred and holy holiday that my religion consideres it to be. That's why I don't take part in it. Samhain was a very special time before, and now it's been taken over by candy salespeople and the media. *sighs*. As with Christmas, which now doesn't even have as much CHRISTIAN importance as it used to..

I'm not so sure about Eostre though. It's also called Ostara, and a few other things. Vernal Equinox. Not necessarily VERY connected to the Catholic faith.


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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
hey, I just copied what World Book Encyclopedia said.

Trust Jube's interpretation, though. She knows more about it.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I have to take issue with the concept of Satan being one exclusive to Christianity. The idea of an evil foil to God or Gods extends to many religions.

Zoroasterism, for instance, though I'll be durned if I can remember the name. Something interesting, though.

Norse traditions have the trickster god Loki, who is chained to a rock by his fellows one day for taking things a bit too far and killing a fellow god. (Balder, I think.) One day Loki will escape his bonds and command the ship from Hel that will assist in the destruction of the world.

Egyptain mythology contains Set, whose motivations are a bit trickier to recall, but I believe he was the one who chopped up Osirus and scattered him to the winds.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
We used to have a Hallowe'en pub crawl at uni. . . then the FCU (F***ing Christian Union) objected. So we just had a pub crawl. *shrug*

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
Ah, yes, Sol.... but what you're missing is that Satan is NOT a God. He is the antithesis of God. Yes, there are trickster gods in the pagan tradition. Lugh was one of them. I believe in the native american tradition the coyote was the trickster. But we have never had a true embodiment of all that is evil, and we have never had this embodiment "tempt" us or try to "draw us to the dark side"... THAT is the judeo-christian belief structure. And i'm not knocking christianity... there are a bunch of really nice people who follow that tradition and are blessed. I'm just saying that there is not Satan anywhere else.

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is you, thoughts of you, hopes for you,
and a fading dream with a Mona Lisa smile
that whispers "are you thinking of me too?"

41 days till the dreams become reality...



 


Posted by HMS White Star (Member # 174) on :
 
Speaking about strange thoughts about holidays, you until about 100 or so years ago most Protestant sects didn't celebrate Christmas. Seriously they thought it was an Evil pagan holiday. Also they there was something in the OT that said that anyone who celebrated around a Christmas Tree was a fool. However the rank and file always celebrated Christmas (honestly people take any excuse to party very seriously ). O course the "Evil" Catholic Church has enjoyed the Christmas holiday for some time and it is one of the reasons that other Christan religions switched to the "Christmas is good" side.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
 
What we call Christmas was a pagen holiday till the church took it over.


OOPS, I see white Star pointed that out already!!(10/14/99)


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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
Are many of you saying that Christians ought to be deprived any opportunity to party that the rest of you have?

Pbpbpbppbpbbpbpthhhht! [Translation: Bronx Cheer.]

I'll party any time I like, but it's important that there are recognized times to gather together with friends and party. Otherwise all those "type A" personalities would be a real drag 365 days a year.

And howcome no-one picked up on Arbor day?

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :
 

Hey, everybody needs some social events every now and then, even I like a good christmas mood. Can we say that such rituals transcend religious beliefs? Am I on drugs or do I make sense after all? Did I take my prozac this morning?

Um.. I did.

er..

I'm back, and so is my vagueness :]
 


Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
Welcome back, RW. Pull up 2 chairs and set a spell (one for yourself and one for your vagueness ).

--Baloo

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Well, I'm taking a week's vacation in honor of my turning 28 this Thursday, so I can put off worrying about having to slay any Fundies at work until at least the 19th.

Baloo: Not be allowed to party?? Certainly not! Party hearty, come Christmastime, Easter, or whatever. Just leave me Halloween. That's all.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Sol, a bit of information to flesh out your wise argument.

Zoroastrianism has Ahura Mazda or Ormuzd (the good and wise god) and Angra Mainyu or Ahriman (the evil god) are always in conflict, but Ormuzd is assured eventual victory.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Gracias.

At any rate Jubilee, I think you read too much into the word trickster.

In many traditions, the trickster god isn't really a bad guy. He's often on the side of the humans, anyway. (Coyote, for instance.)

This is not how it goes in, say, Norse mythology. Loki, their trickster, gets fed up with the whole deal and helps burn the entire universe to a cinder. That seems suitably evil to me.

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
 
Sheesh, halloween already?

To me it's always just been about dressing up. Until I got a bit too big for the Batman costume and became irritated by kids arriving at the door demanding goodies. Still, it allows me to nurture my crancky-old-guy routine for later life, when I intend to get myself a deck, rocking chair, wild stare and pump-action shotgun.

As for it being all eeevil (bites pinkie-finger), I think it's greatest sin is the omnipresent threat of another Paul Daniels Halloween Special....eeesh!

(Anyone remember Ghostwatch?! )

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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
 
First of Two:

I don't believe the whole Halloween bit, but that arguement is a bit weak. I know people here at school that could pick that apart.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Re-ally? Which part?

Welcome to try, although not being a practitioner of Druidic religion myself, I may have to take extra time to check my facts.

Basically, my argument was this:

Halloween is not and is in no way "evil." Virtually everything that the Fundies say about it is a lie, a misinterpretation, or a distortion of the truth (some things I've come to expect from Fundies.)

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Posted by Gepta001 (Member # 231) on :
 
and I hope you all know that Jesus wasn't born on Christmas right!!!! He was born in the spring!!! X-Mas in Pagan, Easter is Pagan,and so's Halloweeen. But just because you celebrate them doesn't mean you are worshiping Satan. Just as evil twists good things to make them bad, good can take evil things and twist them into good.

my two cents,

Marc Valcarenghi

"Yeah. Well, that sounds like a pretty good deal. But I think I may have a better one. How about, I give you the finger... and you give me my phone call."

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :
 

So all things pagan are evil? I'm flattered.
 
Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
 
I'll give this a try since I'm not speaking for myself.

1. Satan is known today and people do "Satanic" things on Halloween now.

2. Halloween seems to make everyone (esp. kids) think they should go out and committ petty crimes, ect.

Again, I don't prescribe to this myself, but I think the idea is that what is done today is more important than the history of the event. I would even say if Christmas (or any other holiday) caused the same kind of stuff as Halloween that people would be calling to end Christmas, too. Especially when Easter is the more important Christian holiday.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I'm calling for an end to Halloween too. Ever since I started getting those damned pears. I mean, please. Pears? I don't care if you are three days away from 98 and you think your house is being assaulted by marauding robots out to steal your pills, you could at least hand out sugar cubes or something.

But not mung. Mung kills. I hate mung.

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Posted by Gepta001 (Member # 231) on :
 
how about packets of instant apple cider? I used to get that from this old guy on my block? Mung! What is Mung?

-Marc

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
"1. Satan is known today"

Actually, Satan is PRESUMED to exist today, by an apparent majority of the vocal population... a large number of whom ALSO believe that Astrology and the crap in the Enquirer and the Weekly World News is also real.

"and people do "Satanic" things on Halloween now."

Irrelevant. The fact that a few people do stupid things on a day is no reason to cancel the day. Besides, crime is committed on Christmas, too.

2. Halloween seems to make everyone (esp. kids) think they should go out and committ petty crimes, ect.

Like I said, crime is committed on Christmas, too (and half the time its the retail companies doing it) And no, I still don't equate the crime with the holiday. Just as many things are blown up or damaged around the 4th of July...

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
It is unfortunate that the most holy and solemn day of the year for my religion has become a scapegoat for these things. However, as First of Two has stated, "satanic" things happen on more than just THIS day of the year, and the same holds true for crime and all sorts of evil and wrongdoing. It just so happens that Halloween has gotten a bad name simply because it was once only a pagan holiday. Because the older christians feared and didn't understand it, they considered it to be of satan, and shunned it. But lets not take it away simply because of a few bad things. There is lots of fun to be had on halloween, when it's treated responsibly. For instance, bobbing for apples, decorating/carving pumpkins, roasting pumpkin seeds, dressing up and eating candy. These are harmless and fun activities that celebrate the season without being "satanic". Instead of shunning things, why not teach your children to behave like this, and have a healthy, happy, fun holiday?

For those of you who say you can't celebrate halloween because of what might happen on this day, you might as well not celebrate christmas, or new years, or the fourth of july, or thanksgiving, etc. My mother didn't let us dress up or go trick-or-treating on halloween night. We weren't allowed to celebrate that at all. However... the one thing she DID do that i'm gratefull for is instead she created "harvest festival" that night for us. We bobbed for apples, tried to bite donuts off strings hung from the ceiling, carved pumpkins, drank apple cider, and one year we made cornbread and pumpkin cookies. We still gave out candy to the children who came. I never thought of this holiday as evil BECAUSE of this, and now that I'm pagan I suppose I never will. There are alternatives here besides telling your children "it's an evil holiday and we can't celebrate it because it's full of satan". Then all your children learn is fear and hatred of the unkown. The circle has to be broken sometime.

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is you, thoughts of you, hopes for you,
and a fading dream with a Mona Lisa smile
that whispers "are you thinking of me too?"

34 days till the dreams become reality...
 


Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
 
I dunno, First. It's hard to explain myself when I don't know what I am talking about.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
Actually, the Irish for November is
Mi na Shamhnna, meaning the Month of Samhainn.

Of course, December is Mi na Nollaig, the Month of Christmas.

And as for Hallowe'en being evil and satanic, nowadays over here it passes with nary a whimper. A few kids turn up in bin-liners with crappy plastic masks and play a song or sing for a bit, and they'd consider it a priviledge to get more than 50p per house.

It's only been lately that they've dared make the dreaded "Trick or treat" implied threat commonplace.

And Happy Birthday, First of Two.
Knock yourself daft.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
 
I admit I don't know exact stats, but I'll bet money there is more crime on Holloween night then any other holiday. At least in the US. Detroit , and a few other cities burn for days around holloween. I don't think it's anything Demonic, but a bunch of punk@$$ kids like to get wild and burn S*** up over this holiday. Plus there are people who razor apples and other things to the point where, if I had a kid, it wouldn't be doing any trick or treeting. The town of Belle limits it to one hour, then throws a party at town hall, which I think is the best thing to do on that night.

I think I stopped likeing Holloween when I started driveing, and had to move trees out of the road, because some dumb@$$ kid that lives on the same hollow(space between two mountains) that I live on, thought it would be funny to block the road.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
Kosh: Is it pronounced "holler" in your neck of the woods? And is "Cow Tipping" a common practice at Halloween?

As far as the razor blades and poisioned candy, I offer the following links:

Pins and Needles

Halloween Poisonings

Neither poisonings nor foreign objects in Halloween treats are very common. If you're not certain about something, don't eat it.

--Baloo

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Yes. Someone posted a link a while back to an Urban Legends site which asserted that the only actual CONFIRMED 'razor in apple' incidents (2 or 3, I believe) ended up being perpetrated by the "victims" themselves, or in one case by the victim's OWN adult. Same goes for other "candy-tampering" incidents. (And BESIDES, if your kid trick-or-treats, you should be WITH them, or else you're an irresponsible parent.)

If you're talking more "petty" crime, yes, probably more takes place on Halloween. But actual serious crime? I doubt it. More probably takes place after school sporting events on weekends. (After all, statistics also show more wives are beaten during televised football games...)

I thought that Detroit's "Devil's Night" was the night BEFORE Halloween. In any case, you could point to it as an associated phenomenon, but not one caused by the existence of Halloween. That, in effect, is like blaming the Internet for the Columbine shootings.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
 
I'm going to have to go with the news on this one 1of2.
To many reports and to many cops on TV warning people to check their kids candy. One web site claiming it was all a hoax will not convince me. Detroit's fire problems start before Holloween and continue up to it.

Baloo: Yep, it holler, I'd have said that, but I didn't think anyone would understand.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Er...it isn't a "hoax", it's an urban legend. I suppose we should worry about scary men with hooks too?

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
Excuse me, but I think I'd rather believe someone who's done the legwork to determine the facts than the overworked minion of a news service who's trying sell commercial slots on the evening news. A lot of these things are gray-headed old beasts that are dusted off and trotted out on Halloween. I have never seen a single report of sharp objects in candy, and the reports of poisoned treats tend to fall into the category of someone who tried it because they thought the blame would fall on someone else because the cops must be swamped by all those other (bogus) reports.

Just because you hear warnings doesn't mean it isn't chicken little. I'd be more worried about creepy neighbors and strangers.

--Baloo

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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
 
The Lexington, KY Area Humanes Society is not allowing people to adopt black cats from now until after Halloween so they are not sacrificed in Satanic rituals. Saw it last night.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
 
I have creepy neighbors.
Strangers have to run the dog gauntlet before they get to anything valueble. Between us and the creepy neighbors, there are:
Two Doby's
One Brendal Bull
One Rotwieler
Two fat white and brown dogs of unknown breed.
They are all harmless and friendly, but they luv to bark.
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
*ROTFL @ Lexington, KY*

Gullible loonies.
"What fools these mortals be!"

Of course, it makes a kind of twisted sense.. most of the people who pretend to be "Satanists" and "sacrifice" cats (black or otherwise, whether its on Halloween or not) ARE moronic redneck types... but they're generally easy enough to identify. 'd be easier just to say that nobody who lives in a trailer or public housing or has a truck in their front yard can buy a cat. In which case, the morons will just find some other animal. Cats aren't special, except that some people think they're witches' "familiars" (except everybody knows you DON'T kill your familiar!)

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
An UNfamiliar on the other hand...?

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
If we had no Halloween, then I would have one day less out of the year to wear my Starfleet admiral's uniform.

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :
 
Michael: My sentiments exactly.

I don't know if there are more petty crimes during Halloween, but the largest number of SUICIDES happen around Christmas.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Actually, I think that's just a myth (about the suicides).

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
No, it isn't.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Bah! The William Faulkner Society says otherwise.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
But other societies say otherwise...otherwise.

Though I came here to admit that I couldn't find any of them. I do know that depression peaks on the holidays, but depression and suicide are two different things.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
 
I get more depressed as the days grow shorter, which bottoms out in December. Which is why I love Spring.

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :
 

I love autumn* and winter, make me feel so.. well not exactly depressed. More like..melancholic.


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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
It is, however, true that people who are depressed are more likely to attempt suicide than those who are not. It therefore follows, if more people are depressed during the holiday season the number of suicide attempts (and "successful" suicides, if you can call it that) will rise as well.

I imagine that there are some suicides connected with almost any holiday you could name, but Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years are fraught with a great deal of universally recognized emotional baggage. The number of suicides prompted by Groundhog day angst, on the other hand, is probably not even measurable by ordinary statistical methods.

--Baloo

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[This message has been edited by Baloo (edited October 25, 1999).]
 


Posted by Feste on :
 
Suicide is also an excellent way of avoiding your awful, tedious relatives.
 


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