Apparently so. Go puzzle over it yourself: http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/

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"Politicians and diapers should be changed regularly, for the same reason."
--(Unknown)
[B]Come Hither and Yawn...

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Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson

I'm not getting anywhere near this one... You probably know what I'd say anyway.

:: coughJohn14:6coughcough ::

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Dane

"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7

[This message has been edited by Dane Simri (edited January 06, 2000).]
 

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"Here is another word that rhymes with shame" - Kurt Cobain
Blew, Nirvana

One would think that underdtanding that one's opponent does not believe in the validity of the Bible would be a clear signal that quoting scripture would be a waste of time.

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Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson

Some religeous sects, groups, whatever, believe that the earth is 4000 years old, only. I know that doesn't include EVERY religeous group.. however, born-again-christian do !!

I had a Born-Again tell me that when I'm writing stories (Star trek and such) I am wasting my talent.. that my life should be dedicated to spreading the word of God and Jesus. Fanatics like that drive me nuts !!

I'm not a religeous person ... but I respect believe who have a believe in something beyond themselves .. I just don't want them to force their believe on me!!

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I feel more like I do now, then when I first got here!! :)

- Alshrim Dax
The Other Dax;

Who said I was trying to win?

BTW, did you bother to look up the verse I mentioned? Or did you just slime me for mentioning the book?

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Dane

"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7

 

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--Then, said Cranly, do you not intend to become a protestant?
--I said that I had lost the faith, Stephen answered, but not that I had lost self-respect. What kind of liberation would that be to forsake an absurdity which is logical and coherent and to embrace one which is illogical and incoherent?

James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

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Dane

"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7

 

More telling is John 14:14, and how truly often that promise has been kept (not).

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Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson

Due to some "unacceptable" posts made to my Discussion Page a few days ago, I did a search to see who was talking about my group (BTW, I don't think the negative posts came from anyone here). During the search I found your discussion from January and I hope you don't mind a late reply.

"Two for One" pretty much hit the nail on the head! 20 years of research has led me to believe that Jesus of Nazareth (not Jesus Christ, who I believe to be a fiction created by the 'self-appointed' apostle, Paul), taught a message of love and kindness that even an old heretic such as myself can admire.

I hope that some of you will consider dropping by my site: www.atheistsforjesus.com and checking it out. Don't be scared off by the "666" reference. While I do believe that my hypothesis that it stood for Paul is as probable as any of the other theories out there, the important thing is the information that my playing with that number puzzle led me to about the doctrinal battle between the Original Apostles (who had traveled with Jesus for three years) and Paul (who had never met the historical Jesus but, as did Jim Jones and David Koresh, claimed to have had a vision from Jesus. I found the information to be quite interesting and maybe you would to.

Hope to see you there!

Sincerely,
Ken Schei
 

Er ... and, he's "First of Two", not "Two for One"

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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.

I hope they make it three for one in the near future!

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What is the difference between a terriorist and your girlfriend?
- With terrorist, there is a chance of negotiation.

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"Intelligence People. You guys are unbelievable. You dump a mess like this (that you created) on my lap, and then you come to me whining 'Where is our funding'? Well I'll tell you where your funding is. Can you say Health-Care?"
- The President of the United States of America, The Long Kiss Goodnight
 

Please! mercy, MERCY!!!!!!!!

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What is the difference between a terriorist and your girlfriend?
- With terrorist, there is a chance of negotiation.

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"How do you define fool?"
"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."
- CJ Cherryh, Invader

Here is why quoting your particular religious manual doesn't work.

It's called a circular arguement.

Example:

I could say that fairies make the flowers grow. You'd ask how I can prove it. I'd reply: "Look, there are the flowers, so that proves there must be fairies".

A circular arguement proves nothing (you just come back to where you started). Try logic.
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BTW: I was raised Mennonite - and baptised. So I have a pretty good understanding of biblical doctrine.

Unfortunately for my parents (who had real hope I'd go into the ministry), I fell into evil company (science fiction). And I discovered the scientific method (In a nutshell: if you can't prove it - it's not fact, just an opinion). And I decided to apply the scientific method to my own life. And I'm an honest person. And intelligent.

An honest, intelligent person cannot help but conclude that religions are based on opinion - not fact. And how can you believe in opinion? So now I'm apostate: agnostic.

Result: I'm a little lonelier (no diety to keep me company), and I don't believe in life-after-death. But I obeyed my convictions. And mine are based on provable, repeatable, observed facts. Not fairy tales.

No offense intended - just trying to free an intellect.
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However (religion-bashers take note):
Some people are not strong enough to get through the day without a diety to lean on. It doesn't matter that he may not exist - believing in him gives them something they need, that due to some inherent weakness they cannot find in themselves.

Yes, religions are a crutch. However, the weak NEED crutches. And it is a cruel thing to kick a crutch out from under a cripple.

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Faster than light - no left or right.
 

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"Even the colors are pompous!"
-a friend of mine, looking at a Lexus brochure
 

Religion is more like a wheelchair.

Some people get around just fine without a wheelchair.
Some people need a wheelchair to get around, and will never be able to walk without it.
Some people ride wheelchairs for the short term.
Some people don't really need a wheelchair, but ride along in one anyway.

But, need it or not, if you stay in a wheelchair long enough, your legs atrophy from disuse.

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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
 

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It never stops, when my mama ask me will I change
I tell her yeah, but it's clear I'll always be the same
Until the end of time
- Tupac Shakur, Untill the End of Time
 

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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
 

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"Babies haven't any hair;
old men's heads are just as bare;
between the cradle and the grave
lies a haircut and a shave."

Samuel Hoffenstein

 

I was raised Mennonite - and baptised. So I have a pretty good understanding of biblical doctrine

Non sequitor.

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"How do you define fool?"
"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."
- CJ Cherryh, Invader

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"Babies are squirmy, ugly, dirty, smelly, and noisy. They'd offend all five of my senses if I had any reason to lick one..."
-- TSN, 2001.01.11 23:27, PhoenixChat
 

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"How do you define fool?"
"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."
- CJ Cherryh, Invader

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"Babies are squirmy, ugly, dirty, smelly, and noisy. They'd offend all five of my senses if I had any reason to lick one..."
-- TSN, 2001.01.11 23:27, PhoenixChat
 

- Albert Einstein