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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Can someone tell me what it is that everyone has against the Christian Coalition? I don't know anything about them, except what 1/2 says, and he doesn't exactly seem to be an unbiased source. What laws have they attempted to pass?

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

If you want to know about the Christian Coalition, their methods and ideals, watch the 700 Club and check out stuff by (and about) Pat Robertson. Although he claims not to be affiliated with them directly, he is essentially their spokesman.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Ah! Here you go, Omega. On these pages you can find all you really need to know. Check out the quotes, they can be doozies.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/quotes.html

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

Oooh, it occurs to me that myself and First are here at, essentially, the same time. As such, we should hurry and gangbang the Christian Coalition. I'll go over to my sources and get the facts, he can spew hate. That's how I like doing things, although I prefer the spewing part personally.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

Umm, First, Patsy Bobby _IS_ their President. Or at least so says their website, so, umm... I think you're wrong.

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Posted by Mythril (Member # 286) on :

Sorry i meant to write that Pat Robertson is an idiot its as simple as that.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

Pat Buchanan is not the man at discussion here. Pat Robertson is. I'm no Buchanan fan, but he's not as bad as this nutcase Robertson. Who is?

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Spew hate? I don't have to spew hate. The facts speak for themselves.

We've discussed this before. My venom is not for Christians, but for hypocritical, frightening would-be Christianity Legislators, such as Mr. Robertson.

And for God-As-Advertised, my attacks against the concept of which are not truly vituperative, but rather heatedly argumentative, as you will see if you really bother to look at them.

"The Bible is shite, and so are Christians" would be hate. I do not say this.

"The Bible is solely man-made, fallible, contradictory, and unreliable, and Christians have been guilty of atrocities, and those who did not participate this are still guilty for not repudiating those who did, despite their claims to the moral high ground" is highly argumentative, but it isn't hate.

"Pat Robertson is a bad man" may be either. Study the page I posted above, paying careful attention to his business dealings, quotes, agenda, and ties to dictators, and get back to me.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

Hey First, don't get on me, I'm on your side!

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

WHO IS THE BIASED SOURCE HERE OMEGA?

Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :

Well, look who's back! Nice to see ya, RW.

But how can he be biased if he is asking a question?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

RW:

Whoa, were you unaware that you had your caps lock on, or did you intend to yell at me? I'm not trying to accuse or defend anyone of anything. I simply seek information, and I thought that the subject seemed to have the potential to involve insulting a group of people, so I put it in the flameboard.

As for Robertson, never have I seen someone so scary. It's people like this that give us Christians a bad name. 'Bout the only thing in that list that he was right about was the part about wives being subserviant. That he did have biblically correct. The reviewer overreacted to it, though. The rest was complete garbage. Maybe someone should give this guy a good lesson in both constitutional law AND in the teachings of Christ. He doesn't seem to know much about either.

If he's representative of the rest of his group, I guess my question has been answered. Thanks, First.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Right, so if, arguably, the most Christian of Christian people here: Omega, thinks that Patty-boy is a gobshite, then I think we can safetly say, with no worry about being corrected, that he's a manipulative, arrogant, self-rightious, arse-faced tosser of the highest order.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

"Bout the only thing in that list that he was right about was the part about wives being subserviant. That he did have biblically correct. The reviewer overreacted to it, though."

How did the reviewer overreact to it? I didn't think he was harsh enough.

Y'know, I'm so upset that I'm not a member of your great, and enlightened religion.

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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :

Hey, since when is Omega more Christian than me? (just kidding)

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

UM: Bit harsh, eh? Calm down

Still, I think we should have a Christian deathmatch! Bryce versus Omega! Tcikets at �10, or $50 if you can't point out Manchester on a map.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Liam: Huh?

And, uh, what country is Manchester in?

-Jack Handey

Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

Whoa, Liam, you were drunk when you posted, yes?

Anyway, is Manchester anywhere near Madchester? Sorry, I'm E'd off right now.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

Ya know, it just occured to me, that if Pat Robertson did a little pot, he'd be a lot better off. Maybe all these right-wing "Christ"ian nutcases should do a little E and they'd be better.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

*points to Manchester*

*notices his finger is also resting on Wales*

*thinks someone will take offence*

*decides he needs a bigger globe*

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Nah, don't worry about squashing Wales. It's not like anyone would miss it.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

Dude, Travis is from Wales, ain't it?

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Posted by Mythril (Member # 286) on :

Religion is the opium of the masses.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Saith Karl Marx.

Therefore this shall now turn into a thread about communism.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Ultra:

"How did the reviewer overreact to it? I didn't think he was harsh enough."

Well, considering that no one ever said anything about "barefoot in the kitchen and pregnant", yes, he did overreact. All the Bible effectively says on the subject (NT, anyway) is that the husband has the final say. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

...and I don't necessarily share that opinion. In fact, I think it's shit. And shit like that, my friend, is what keeps me away from religion.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

-Jack Handey

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I apologize for not being eloquent or informative, but this is just one of the things that really irks me.

Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

And it is. It's also a misapplication of the bible, that those Christian bastards like to do. They too a perfectly good piece of work, mangled it, and now it's thought of as shit. But I don't care anymore (see the "I'm not an athiest" posts a while back) so I won't get involved.

Yeah! Beat that woman!

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Omega: But what if the husband turns out to be a complete ass?

Have you, by any chance, read "Angela's Ashes?" the husband in that was a drunk, and spend his family's money on drink, thereby contributing to the deaths of several of his children.

Should a wife follow the decisions of a man like that?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

That's where "husbands, love your wives" comes into play.

I'd say leave him. Christ said that the only grounds for divorce were marital unfaithfulness. Assuming that that's an accurate translation from the Greek, I would interpret that to mean breaking ANY of the vows made, and a man acting like that would probably break at least ONE vow, no matter what they may be. 'Course, that's all based on one possible meaning of an unknown Greek word.

Under any circumstances, a woman shouldn't marry a man like that in the first place.

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Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :

FYI, I live in Virginia Beach, VA, only about a twenty minute drive from CBN and Pat Robertson's cronies. I am happy to say that the Christian Coalition has recently announced their planned departure from Chesapeake (not sure where they are going). That group has had a stranglehold on politics here for several years. While I am all too happy to see Republicans taking over the state house and senate for the first time in decades, I am not happy that the CC and their ultraconservative cronies were behind it. That group is not generally known for tollerance and progressive attitudes. I think most locals will be happy to see them leave.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

>"Under any circumstances, a woman shouldn't marry a man like that in the first place."

Ah, yes, the old 'blame the victim' standby.

I thought the moral rule was 'he got her pregnant, he HAS to marry her'?

Of course, then the blame just reverts to the mistake in having a knee-trembler with the guy in the first place... and so on, and so on, and so on... blame, blame, blame...

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

I didn't SAY it was her fault. Stop jumping to conclusions.

I said she could have avoided the situation. Marying a man like that is a mistake.

And if a woman is pregnant out of wedlock, and the father is like you described, then she'd be better off not getting married. Better only one parent than one stable one and one dangerously unstable one. But again, sleeping with someone to whom you are not married is a mistake. So the mother did make mistakes. She could have avoided the entire situation. She may be a victim, but not entirely. She didn't have the situation forced upon her, as she had control of her life, and she chose poorly.

Ladies and gentlemen, the above statements are only the opinions of the poster. If you don't agree, that's your call.

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

Of course everyone knows how to make "right" decisions all the time. That is without factoring in abusive families, lack of self-confidence and self-esteem, peer pressure, desire to fit in, rebellion, or, heck, just different convictions.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

"That is without factoring in abusive families, lack of self-confidence and self-esteem, peer pressure, desire to fit in, rebellion, or, heck, just different convictions."

None of that should have any affect on her making the right decision (except maybe different convictions). What's right is right, and your past life can't excuse you from your present mistakes. Unless, of course, your parents were so neglectful as to not inform you that sleeping with someone not your spouse can have unwanted side effects. If you don't KNOW what's right and what's wrong, THEN you might have an excuse.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :

But First, that IS what happens. According to Omega, that's why corprorations are supposed to make the decisions, because people who run them are by and large perfect. The only people who are make wrong decisions are elected officials.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Well, he's either led a very sheltered life, or is creating expectations so high even he is unlikely to fulfil them.

Humans. We screw up. Live with it.
The last 'perfect' man died almost 2000 years ago... and there's some doubt about him, as well.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Actually, First, I can give you two more possibilities, both of which are far more likely. One: DT is, once again, assuming things that have no basis in reality and only a very tenuous connection to what I actually said. Two: he's lying through his teeth to make me look bad. Since he persists in such activities, even in private discussions, I can only conclude that his objective is not to make me look bad. Thus, he simply doesn't get it. He assumes things based on nothing.

DT, if you can give me one quote that indicates that I think that CEO's are infallible, I'll leave Flare.

What I said was that people will invariably mess up sooner or later, and probably sooner. There's no way to avoid it. The best situation for someone to mess up in is where their mistake has as little effect as possible on others. A company making a mistake only results in a few hundred people loosing their jobs, which can be relativly easily re-obtained. An all-controling government making a mistake, however, screws the whole country, and forces 5,000,000 people to go to Canada to find jobs. It's better for the power over the corporation to be in the hands OF the corporation when the mistake is made.

/tangent

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Exxon has made a few mistakes which effect a bit more then a few hundred people. Heck, so has Microsoft. Just one of the problems with size. A tiny government or company is limited in how much damage it can do. Of course, it can also never go to the moon or build national infrastructures. Priorities, I suppose.

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