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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

You said you read the gospel of Peter or whoever it was where Jesus was married, right? Who was he married to and how many kids did he have?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

I thought that was the book of Thomas. I believe it said that he supposedly married Mary Magdeline, who according to completely unsupported Catholic lore was the same Mary mentioned as being the sister of Martha and Lazarus, and also the prostitute that washed Jesus' feet with her hair.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

See my sig for an excerpt from the Gospel of Thomas

At least, I think that's from it...

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

Ah...that's what the game said, too. I was playing Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, blood of the Damned. It explained that the Church wanted to downplay the importance of Mary Magdalene, so they called her a prostitute and claimed all the Mary Magdalene & child statues were actually Mary, mother of Jesus, with black skin. I'll probably look this stuff up though. There's a reading list at the end of the game manual. Now there's a sight to behold.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

The Gabriel Knight games are very, very cool. But creepy.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I'm glad you other folks responded.
To be honest, I've read OF the book of Thomas, (and others) from what I consider a reliable source, but I haven't READ it, yet. I have a book called "The Hiram Key" which supposedly goes into more detail, but at the moment it's sitting on my desk with about 30 other books in my "To be read" pile, along with "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone," "Civil War Fantastic," "Cthulhu 2000," "The Second Messiah," "Incredible Hulk: What Savage Beast," and many others.

Assuming I ever get to it, I'll let you know.

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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :

Geeez First, by the time you get to it I will have already read it in SEMINARY!!!

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

You'd actually get to read The Hiram Key in seminary?
Now that WOULD suprise me.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

*sigh* It's Harry Potter and the PHILOSPHERS Stone.

Bloody Americanisation.

And What Savage Beast is a cool book. I'm not sure it now fits in with current Hulk continuity, but it's at least as good as most of PAD's Trek work.

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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :

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Incredible Hulk

A comic book? "Eee' gods doth amaze me! Ayyyy, ee silly Americans!" If you're wondering why I can speak so affluently in English English lately, I've been tiring away at Vantiy Fair, which is a parody of the English in itself. So, "I don't just 'earn it from n'e'boody, I 'earn from ee master." Heheee.

"Ayyy, bloody Americans! Ayy, if I canna could, I'd of shone ee something with my own two digits in '76. Eeeeee rebels! Eeeeee backstabing devils. Devil, devil, devil! The Deuce!"

LOL, I think I got out of my system for tonight. But you never know. LOL ....

{No offense to PsyLiam, but I am sure "'ill be 'suum n'e'ways"}

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I might be offended, if I knew what the bloody hell you were talking about.

Look, just go and see Chicken Run. Or watch Red Dwarf. Those are English accents, okay? The accents of Daphne's boyfriends resemble our accents about as much as Charles resembles a pie.

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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :

Yeah, I can read all the "gospels" and the Koran in seminary. At the one I want to attend they require Muslim ministry (actual ministry) as credit.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

See? See? He said "gospels". This is exactly why the church discredits them. They love blinding people and leading them in the way they want to.

Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :

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Look, just go and see Chicken Run. Or watch Red Dwarf. Those are English accents, okay?

Well, you see, I think that might be it. Those are London accents. I pretty much draw on the country English culture of Sussex, and other non-developed parts of England.

I know a Welshman who speaks just like that, and he's the most ammusing character. He's also a cultural treasure, stuck back in the days of Victoria it seems like.

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I might be offended, if I knew what the bloody hell you were talking about.

And thus the English are a jolly bunch, unoffendable.

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Operator of Cargill Conglomerate Publications, http://www.cargillconglomerate.com

A scene that was cut from last season's "Rock" episode, Tsumkatse:
Rock: Do ya smell what the Rock's cookin'?
Janeway: Mr. Rock, was that you?
Tuvok: An intriguing smell ...

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"Look, just go and see Chicken Run. Or watch Red Dwarf. Those are English accents, okay?"

'Well, you see, I think that might be it. Those are London accents. I pretty much draw on the country English culture of Sussex, and other non-developed parts of England.'

Er, no they're not. Rimmer and the Cat don't have much regionalisation in their accents (is that a word? It is now), but Lister is obviously a scouser. From Liverpool. Not London.

And hardly any of the accents in Chicken Run are London either. Most are from up north. The main give away is how they say "grass". Londoners (and other southerners) say "gr-arse", whereas the further north you go, the more it becomes "gr-ass".

And Sussex doesn't have a culture. They barely have intelligent communication.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

*mutters something about Brighton being his birthplace*

But we did leave... within the year! Honest!

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Speaking of Red Dwarf accents, why do the Cat and Kryten sound like they could easily be American? Actually, the same goes for the captain. And what kind of accent has Kochanski got (the current one, not the one that showed up a couple times in early seasons)?

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Kryten's got a Canadian accent. Apparently. It's not how Robert Llewellyn normally sounds. It's just one of those crazy things the wacky guys at the Dwawf do. *cough*.

The Cat's got a London accent if anything, but it's not very heavy.

The Captain does sound American, yes.

The original Kockanski was Scottish. The new one is suppossed to be, but doesn't sound it. Like Rimmer, it's a pretty regionless accent. The English version of Frasier's accent I suppose. Mid-Atlantic, but she'd still say "Tewsday" rather than "Toosday".

Ahh, lovely Brighton. Somewhere that's famous for not actually having any sun today, but full of promises for tomorrow...

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

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Kryten's got a Canadian accent

Does he now? We've got Atlantic accents and hick-farmer accents, but nothing as general as a Canadian accent.

We sound exactly the same as Americans. No aboot, or anything like that.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Of course you sound exactly like Americans. You are Americans.

Now, if you're talking about the United States... So, Canadians have more than one type of accent, but now everyone in the US sounds the same? :-)

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Oh, and speaking of Frasier... I asked this once before, but never got a response. I don't know if England has seen this past season's finale yet, but, if you have, what accent was that that Daphne's brother had? If that example doesn't work, I heard the same accent on Red Dwarf. The episode where they're made to think it was all a game (or, more descriptively, the Dwayne Dibbley (sp?) episode). When they come out of the game, there's a technician that comes into the room, and he's got the same accent.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

At birth, everyone's vocal chords should be removed, and we should communicate through a series of fondles and gropes. (Of course, this means only females and myself.)

That way, accents will never be a problem.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

The tecnician from "Back to Reality" was Timothy Spall, and it was a Brummie accent. That's Birmingham.

Daphe's brother had a Dick van Dyke accent. Which translates as a very, very, very crap cockney accent. Which is strange, considering that Daphne's suppossed to be a Mancunian. Although her accent isn't much cop either.

Personally, I don't think the tecnician sounded anything LIKE Daphne's brother, who, like a lot of Americans trying to sound English, think we all have permenant colds and talk through our noses.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Mancunian means "from Manchester" BTW.

I know most of you aren't that thick, but just in case...

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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :

I wouldn't worry, PsyLiam, they teach every known fact about England in Grammar school. I can hear the elementry school singing out my window:

"... Ruuuule Britannica! Britons rule the waves! Britons, Britons, Britons never shall be slaves ..."

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Atlantic accent? Excuse me while I smack UM

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Have you been to Cape Breton?

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Kryten is not remotely Canadian sounding. Not at all.

Canadian accents vary somewhat... nothing like Britain's variances, or even the US's. OTTOMH, Greater Vancouver accents sounds a lot more American than average, Nova Scotia does have a distinct Atlantic lilt to it, and the Newfs are totally off the charts.

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Then you should have said Cape Breton accent.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

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Look, just go and see Chicken Run. Or watch Red Dwarf. Those are English accents, okay? The accents of Daphne's boyfriends resemble our accents about as much as Charles resembles a pie.

What about Monty Python?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Okay, here's another one I just thought of. Have you seen the movie Gone in 60 Seconds (the new Nicholas Cage one, not the original)? What accent did the, uh... "bad guy"... have? It reminded me of Lister's Liverpool accent, but the actor was apparently from Manchester. Was he faking a Liverpool accent, or do the two just sound sufficiently alike to the untrained ear (which would make sense, given the proximity of the two cities to each other)?

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Well, Tim, a quick trip to a UK map would have told you that Liverpool and Manchester are essentially a double city these days...

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I believe I mentioned "the proximity of the two cities to each other"... :-)

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Don't tell them that. They can't stand each other...

Hey, I said he was going for a Canadian accent. I didn't say he got it.

Remember that Daphne is suppossed to be from Manchester. However, Jane Leeves is from London, and although she does a fair job, no Brit would ever be fooled by her accent. (I do wonder what she sounded like in the US Red Dwarf pilot...)

You ever here Marina Sirtis' normal voice? THAT's a common-as-muck cockney accent right there. She's working-class scum, basically.

Oh, and what's "... Ruuuule Britannica!\" all about Scuzzy? We don't tend to sing rousing songs about encyclopedias, y'know.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Isn't Marina Sirtis Greek?

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

She must've grown up in England.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

She was born in London (to Greek parents). She's a big fan of Tottenham Hotspur, a London football club. She talks like a dirty slapper. She's a cockney.

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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

*ponders whether there really is a difference between Cockneys and dirty slappers*

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I've heard her on talk shows over here. Very different then Troi's accent. I knew she was from London, but the difference between her and the character surprised me.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

"Was I doing something to your hair?"

I think she has wandered off the alien accent and behavior quite much since the TNG-pilot, becoming increasingly human and british. She's lovely, but I wonder if they shouldn't care more for the Betazed-culture.

What was the first ep with Troi in SF-uniform?

And did Tora Ziyal get a satisfying answer?

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

"What was the first ep with Troi in SF-uniform?"

Technically? "Future Imperfect." Really? "Chain of Command I."

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Actually, it was "Encounter at Farpoint," I think.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Oh, RIGHT!! Those damned skort unis! Good catch, Frankus!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Shik, what's the difference between "technically" and "really"??? And Frank, I meant when did she lose her grey and purple outfits and join the crews?

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Timelines. "Future Imperfect" was the one with Riker in command & Minuet as his wife.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

And to help clarify a little more, Future Imperfect was season 4. She wore it in a "alternate-timeline-no-it-wasn't-it-was-a-Romulan-holodeck-no-sorry-again-it-was-a-hallucination/dream/mental-thgny", and she only wore it in that episode.

In Chain of Command part 1 (season 6), after Picard had been reassigned, Jellico told her that she should wear the regulation Starfleet uniform.

Strangely, after that, less people came to her councelling sessions. Hmm...

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