. Oh well, not like you'd read it anyways 
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"Al Gore cost me the election." - Ralph Nader
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Acreage can't vote.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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Buffy: "See, this is a school. And we have students and they check out books and then they learn things."
Giles: "I was beginning to suspect that was a myth."
- Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
That shows landmass, not population.
Urban areas tend to vote Democratic, rural Republican.
Hell, Gore got 83% of the Baltimore City vote ... and in MD, all you need are Balt. City, Howard, Baltimore Counties, and PG and Montgomery Counties and you get the electorates ... and those are all heavily democratic, while the rest are republican (but the republican counties are very sparsely populated)
Look at Md on the map ... just a couple splotches for Gore, yet Gore got 57% of the MD vote! Don't believe maps like these, they're Rush Limbaugh's way of comforting himself.
Besides, didn't you see the popular vote breakdown?
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"When they come, kill them. We're not here to make friends." -- Connor
"But you're my friend." -- Duncan
"Count yourself lucky." -- Connor
Highlander: The Element of Fire
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This goes to show why we need the electoral college... This way rural areas don't get swallowed by the vote of urban areas.
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"Al Gore cost me the election." - Ralph Nader
Maybe in 04 someone should run ads that say:
"Don't vote for any Presidential Canaidate, show the world what we think of the EC."
Then it would look like this
Bush 5%
Gore 5%
Nader 1%
No One 89%
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I am going to buy Japanese cars from now on, because the auto workers got the day off to vote and the state went to Gore, so I want to see how many we can get unemployed.
From The Port Huron Times-Herald talk back section.
I don't mean to speak out against the EC.
What I mean is, the map gives a distorting view of how many people voted for Gore v Bush.
The map doesn't show population density, etcetra. Therefore, while its a nice display for Rush to throw around and rant about, that's all it is ... a nice display that doesn't accurately represent the numbers of people who voted.
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"When they come, kill them. We're not here to make friends." -- Connor
"But you're my friend." -- Duncan
"Count yourself lucky." -- Connor
Highlander: The Element of Fire
You immediately attacked Rush Limbaugh because you saw 'www.rushlimbaugh.com' in the url, but you know niether what he said about it, nor what I meant by posting it.
The article I drew it from was about the importance of the Electoral College, in which Rush Limbaugh makes a good point...and I would have given the article, but unfortunately, they updated the page and the link is gone . Oh well, not like you'd read it anyways
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"I'm not like George Bush. If Bush loses, his life goes on. I will do anything to get elected." - Al Gore, 1999
Actually, I would read it. I'd just keep muttering, "what a big fat idiot you are, Rush" the whole time 
Frankly, I see the map as why the EC might be a bad idea. I'm surprised Rush didn't hit upon that ... look at CA -- Gore didn't get that much area, but he got the state.
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"When they come, kill them. We're not here to make friends." -- Connor
"But you're my friend." -- Duncan
"Count yourself lucky." -- Connor
Highlander: The Element of Fire
"This goes to show why we need the electoral college... This way rural areas don't get swallowed by the vote of urban areas."
Did you listen at all to the bit about Maryland? Because of the Electoral College, the rural votes were negated by the urban. Bush won all those rural counties, but Gore won the entire state, simply because of the urban votes. All the Bush votes out in the rural areas counted for jack shit, because of the Electoral College.
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"What he did to that walrus gentle-man was inexcusable."
-T. Herman Zweibel on "Mr. Woodrow Wood-pecker", The Onion, 7-Nov-2000
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It also doesn't hurt that most of the Maryland colleges and universities (including UMCP, Towson, Morgan, etc) are VERY liberal.
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"When they come, kill them. We're not here to make friends." -- Connor
"But you're my friend." -- Duncan
"Count yourself lucky." -- Connor
Highlander: The Element of Fire
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Francesca: He was born on the tundra, that's where he belongs. You'll kill him if you take him to Toronto.
Thatcher: That's a bit drastic, don't you think?
Francesca: Look, I've been to Toronto. Trust me, nothing can survive there. - "due South"
That's a joke, kids.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
I wonder ...
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"When they come, kill them. We're not here to make friends." -- Connor
"But you're my friend." -- Duncan
"Count yourself lucky." -- Connor
Highlander: The Element of Fire
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Of course, it also shows what would be gained if we'd just nuke the major cities and cut our losses
Ah yes, I can see how the lack of culture, proper grammar and front teeth can positively affect your country.
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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?
Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.
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"I'm not like George Bush. If Bush loses, his life goes on. I will do anything to get elected." - Al Gore, 1999
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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?
Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.
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Besides, JeffR, you go to UB, right? Isn't that rather urban itself?
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However, I returned to my hometown to vote, of which Genesee County proudly voted for Bush.
TSN, the EC balances the overwhelming majority of urban areas over the nation, not just a single state. In Maryland, with the EC, the candidates would only have to visit Baltimore. However, they would have to still campaign in every other state as well. However, without the EC, all the candidates would need to do is visit the most populated cities, ie. NY, LA, Miami, Chicago and Seattle.
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"I'm not like George Bush. If Bush loses, his life goes on. I will do anything to get elected." - Al Gore, 1999
LOL!
All that reading and whatnot. Libraries can turn you into a real commie.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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I used to hate Rush Limbaugh. I thought he was an idiot too. But I started to listen to his show. He would make claims that I thought were retarded... So just to prove him wrong, I researched, and found quite a bit of it was TRUE. I do listen to him all the time now, but along with it, I research what he says because he brings the news articles and I can read for myself.
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"I'm not like George Bush. If Bush loses, his life goes on. I will do anything to get elected." - Al Gore, 1999
I'll have to look up those statistics, but I believe it's a statistical fact that the average Republican has at least a college degree, while the average Democrat has a high-school education.
Of course, that might be a reflection of the high number of inner-city and minority democrats, and shouldn't necessarily hold true for all of them. Obviously, a number of college profesors are Democrat/Socialists.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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Did you guys like, not make the football team in highschool, and sulk around because you weren't respected and didn't get pussy?
Now, in menial little discussions with people you don't even know, it's a penis measuring competition, 'cept your penises are 'how much you know'.
Y'know, it's fine that you're interested in stuff, and go out and learn about it, but when you, "Yeah, well, I'm the startest guy I know, I read forty books a day, and have an IQ 186. I know Japanese, German and Turkish, I can recite each of the works of Shakespeare by heart, and I'm a Star Trek fan.", it seems to me like you're only trying to convince yourself that you've been vindicated in your once considered nerdly pursuits, and are now "cool".
Fine, you're smart. I read that before. and probably will again. Good for you. I'm really proud. I just don't want to read it again.
If you want to be considered smart, let your actions speak.
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You don't like it? Then either contribute something meaningful, or put a crane under that carcass of yours and haul it out of this thread, because whining about the direction the conversation has taken won't help.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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"I'm not like George Bush. If he wins or loses, life goes on. I will do anything to win." - Al Gore, Newsweek, 1999
It's just that, while I, and many other forum inhabitants do indeed know of your unspeakable intelligences, it seems a little 'own horn tooting', when you announce it again and again.
This discussion about wether or not Democrats are dumber than Republicans is terribly petty. None of you definitively say wether one side is smarter than the other. And no "well, generally...", because those are no better than "Yeah, well, generally black people are on welfare and crack addicts." Both are statements borne of ignorance.
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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?
Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.
However, those cases are in the minority.
As to blacks -- I never said anything about them.
I said "inner city residents tend to be democrats" a fact borne out by the map above, which shows democrat votes largely corresponding with urban areas.
since a large number of inner-city schools are notable for their large class sizes, low budget-per-student, lower-than-average quality of education, and high dropout rate, it is reasonable to say that inner-city residents tend to be less educated.
(1st-year College Philosophy/Logic follows)
Therefore, Using Boolean logic, we see that "tend to be democrats" and "tend to be less educated" are both large subsets of "inner city residents," and will tend to (but not necessarily always) overlap.
Of course, this fails to account for SW Pennsylvania, Appalachia, and the Mississippi valley, none of which qualify as Inner City but all of which voted heavily Democratic. (Except that those regions are noted for educational insufficiencies as well.)
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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I'll have to look up those statistics, but I believe it's a statistical fact that the average Republican has at least a college degree, while the average Democrat has a high-school education.
So, if college is so "liberal" and all that, how does it hold true that a conservative can get though without being "changed"?
Maybe, just maybe, those folk who are very conservative already can afford to send little Chip and Buffy to school. While immigrant family man Joe Union has to settle for a generation or two later for family who wants to work full time and go to college.
Different cultures place different values on education that vary from social level to class level.
And I'll say again, being a Democrat does not mean you are a liberal.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
Am I a liberal? Damn straight. Why am I a liberal? Well, honestly, I was always more of a moderate ... before I came to Towson U., I:
- Supported the death penalty
- Supported guns
- Supported *some* other Republican party positions
(I have never *EVER* wavered in my belief that just because you are gay you should be denied certain rights such as marriage -- I have always thought of myself as an advocate - at least to my circle of friends - of Gay Rights, that is a position that I have never changed on, nor *will* ever change on)
Um, sorry, just wanted to make that clear for some reason ...
Well, I changed my views. I'll admit -- I became more liberal (I've always been a democrat) simply in order to get in bed with cute girls.
Then I found myself defending liberal positions against more conservative friends of mine, and came to the realization that I am a liberal.
I AM A LIBERAL!
"Let no man tell you different, you are Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod!"
Well, in my case, it was,
"Dammit, let no Conservative tell me different! I am Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod!"
Oh, wait ...
Right, back to the topic. Anyway, that's why I'm a liberal. Mind you, less than 6 months ago, I was much more moderate ... I called myself a "conservative Democrat" ... hey, cute girls can do such amazing things to a person ...
Wait, what was the topic? Oh, right.
It's unfair to group Republicans/Hatemongers as it is to group Democrats/Liberal. Obviously, Republicans are more to the right, Democrats more to the left, but that doesn't mean a person is neccessarily a liberal any more than they are a member of the KKK.
Yes? No?
Maybe so?
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See, the thing is that 98% of Democrats ARE liberals, so it really is a legitimate assumption. Compare that to the .001% of Republicans that are KKK. Not a valid comparison.
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"You know, you--you let a wolf save your life, they make you pay and pay and pay..."
- Fraser, "due South"
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
I highly doubt a form was given to each and every voter in the USA like below:
VOTER SURVEY
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Are you:
A) Democrat
B) Republican
C) Green
D) Reform
E) Awaiting your green card
If you are a Democrat, are you a:
A) Liberal Democrat
B) Democratic Liberal
C) Liberal Liberal
D) Liberalistic Liberal Democratic Liberal
If you are a Republican, are you:
A) Much more intelligent than any Democrat,
B) More informed than any Democrat,
C) White supremacist
D) Better looking, more charismatic and just plain sexier than all those uneducated, slovenly, Sixth year HS student Liberals.
I see how that could yield his results.
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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?
Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.
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If you *really* think thats so, be my guest ... yep, sure ... oh, and the Pope is Jewish.
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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?
Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.
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"...I was just up in Canada, Toronto actually. You know, they really hate you guys [Americans] up there? The funny thing is, they think you hate them back, when in fact, you just couldn't be bothered to care. Now in Ireland, it's a different story. At least we had the common decency to wait until the English invaded before we started hating them. I guess the Canadians are hating you in advance..."
-Irish Comic Ed Byrne on Canada-US relations
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"You know, you--you let a wolf save your life, they make you pay and pay and pay..."
- Fraser, "due South"
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
True. You don't want to start comparing yourselves to other countries. That's what commies do.
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
>"I have never *EVER* wavered in my belief that just because you are gay you should be denied certain rights such as marriage -- I have always thought of myself as an advocate..."
Do you realize that you just said in the above passage that you were AGAINST gay marriage?
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
Yep, I did make those numbers up off the top of my head. It's called an "example". People refuse to admit to being anything in polls, claiming to be moderates. Don't ask me why.
Now as for the reasoning behind the first number, how else do you explain people voting for Gore? Gore is liberal. People vote for Gore. Therefore, said people are liberal. Make sense?
'Course, then you've got your 2% who are dumb enough to believe that Bush is stupid, and voted for Gore on THAT basis...
As for the KKK number, considering the total membership of the KKK is in the tens of thousands, and something like fifty million people voted for Bush...
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"You know, you--you let a wolf save your life, they make you pay and pay and pay..."
- Fraser, "due South"
About as much as "Gore is a man. People vote for Gore. Therefore, said people are men."
Of course, if Gore did get a 100% male vote, I'll eat my trousers.
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
1 Gore's politics are liberal.
2 People voted for Gore on the basis of his politics.
3 You don't vote for a candidate whose politics you disagree with. Unless you are stupid.
4 Thusly, people who voted for Gore are people who agree with his politics.
5 Thusly, people who voted for Gore are liberal.
6 Or stupid.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
Thanks for pointing that out, I hate it when I word things wrong.
Let me rephrase:
I have always believed that a person should be allowed equal rights (up to and including marriage), regardless of skin tone, sex, sexual orientation, or hair color.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
First and I agree on something ...
::Earth explodes::
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"oh, and the Pope is Jewish."
Well, he wears a yarmulke, doesn't he? :-)
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"What he did to that walrus gentle-man was inexcusable."
-T. Herman Zweibel on "Mr. Woodrow Wood-pecker", The Onion, 7-Nov-2000
I mean, is a Klingon a Romulan? Noooo ... =)
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Omega, you also fail to correct for the Aryan Nation, neo-Nazis, etcetra.
Second, you said "98%" of Democrats are Liberals. Where are you facts for those numbers? Saying everyone who voted Gore is a liberal disproves yourself. So, where did you come up with that percent?
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
Well, my math has always been fuzzy. I can't tell you how much I hate balancing my checkbook ...
::scans statement, compares to checkbook::
"Why the FUCK did this motherfucker waste six months to cash this damn thing?!"
::curses as realizes two checks will bounce...::
ARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!
Actually, I'm proud of myself ... according to my last statement, I'm only $2.37 short from what I thought I had =)
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Anyway, so basically all liberals are uninformed morons and all conservatives are well-educated half-saints, is that right? Good, let's move on.
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
Uh, non-citizens can't vote to begin with. I KNOW.
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
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"You know, you--you let a wolf save your life, they make you pay and pay and pay..."
- Fraser, "due South"
You break the trend.
You do not fit in.
Therefore, you do not conform.
The U.S. is all about conformity.
::Bludgeons Ritten to death with Constitution::
=) Just kidding.
Go for it, vote by your conscience and not party allegiance. It's too bad the rest of us get so caught up in what side we're on we almost always refuse to change sides.
Wait a second ... I voted for Erlich for Councilman ... he's a Republican ... the fuck?!
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But if he runs for Governor like he wants, he ain't getting my vote. Sorry Rob!
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So much for the diversity of life. Pardon me whilst I go lobotomize myself to be able to think like Omega.
For anyone not "getting it" the above is sarcasm.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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Om: where do you plan on going to college? Just curious.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
"where do you plan on going to college?"
Lipscomb. Ole Miss and Oklahoma State are after me, but I'd prefer to stay at home, if possible, the better to eat my mom's cooking.
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"You know, you--you let a wolf save your life, they make you pay and pay and pay..."
- Fraser, "due South"
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
Just exactly what species of dinosaur ARE you?
I mean, everybody ELSE with more than a walnut-sized cerebral cortex already knows that Omega's and my beliefs are FAR from being similar enough to lump in a sentence like THAT one... or have we so soon forgotten the whole GOD thing? ("The God Thing"... that should be a movie title, don'cha think?)
Tora: make no mistake: I LOVE my job. I just don't get paid a fair wage for doing it, that's all. And that may change. And I gripe about it a lot, but I just do that to relieve tension. When I gripe, I'm okay. It's when I clam up that people should start worrying.
Why don't I do something else? To be honest, I've painted myself into a corner, jobwise. The best library jobs are in schools, but for me to get the student teaching credits I'd need, I'd have to quit my current job - and have NO money. And no job to come back to, should the teaching not pan out.
As for other jobs, I made those decisions when I was in college and high school. Truthfully, my major problem was that I was unfocused, lazy, and unambitious. Telling a kid at an early age "you can do anything" isn't always a motivator, especially when the kid hasn't a CLUE what he wants to do. (Actually, I wanted to be a palaeontologist, but I'd have had to go to Colorado for college, and there's about 5 job openings in that field in a DECADE.) I started off in engineering, but I hated math (I could do it, I just didn't like it) so I switched to English, because I've always liked books and reading and writing. I was going to write the Great American Novel (Fantasy or SF)... but then I realized it MIGHT be a good idea to be able to EAT while doing so. So I went to get a MS in Library/Information Science, because it was more books and reading and so on.
I still write, but not as much. Just when I'm really inspired. The Fantasy Epic is proceeding slowly... I can't figure out who to kill off at the end.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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What did it mean to you
An early chat with death
To pull your body for a moment from your soul
--
Camper Van Beethoven
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! Gonna donate half my money to the city.
I want to hear about you "Series V" concept you mentioned in some other thread. Go, post it, darn you! =)
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master