And I think he should dump the title of Secretary of Defense and make it something like Defensive Coordinator that way he could study all those nifty x's and o's and we could just blitz Albania with an outside linebacker.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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This thing that we've made is fat and feeds on the hate of the millions that it's taught to sing its song...
DEAverification :P
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
And cut it out with the "server space" crap. Jay has the right to say whatever he wants.
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Psychiatrist: "Again."
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This thing that we've made is fat and feeds on the hate of the millions that it's taught to sing its song...
DEAverification :P
And you base that on... what? You don't know how I'd react in that situation. There are maybe three people that know me well enough to predict how I'd act under given circumstances with a reasonable degree of accuracy, and, guess what: you ain't one of 'em.
"And cut it out with the "server space" crap. Jay has the right to say whatever he wants."
Did I say he didn't? That right also extends to me, meaning I have the right to criticize the lack of intelligent content in his posts.
Really, is there any reason for this thread to have been created? No? Then it is a waste of space, as I said. Jay can sure post whatever he wants, but the question is: why post this?
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
Get over yourself sweet cheeks and deal with the huge amounts of sarcasm that will be streaming forth over President-Elect Dumbass and his soon to be announced Secretary of BBQ.
No one asked youy to join the conversation you guardian of server space and major waste of bandwith Omgea. New titles we can add to your amazing list I guess.
I again, enjoin you to bite me and and to unwrap yourself from that cloak of righteous indignation. If you have nothing productive to add, shut the hell up.
The rest of your being is superfluous and ignored as such.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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Peace out.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
That right also extends to me, meaning I have the right to criticize...
But doesn't that mean we have the right to criticize your criticizing? And of course, you then have the right to criticize my criticizing you, and its a big mad loop!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!! So why the hell are you criticizing people for criticizing you for critcizing people? Can't this EVER stop?
Bush's Inaugural Address: (leaked from a confidential inside source)
My fellow Armenians,
As I stand here today, looking out over this magnificent viagra, I think we can agree that the past is over. Our country is ready for a fresh, bipolar approach. I want to bring America together. We are the hill shining on a city, and each of us can get to the top if we set our feet to it.
Politics doesn't have to be the way it is today. We can make the pie higher. Let everyone who needs to put food on the table put their family on the table. That's my record: I side with the people. And front for the money. But I back away from challenge.
A president has to think not only of himself and his family and his baseball team's families, but of all American families. I don't believe a president should be choosing who are the right American families. I don't believe a president should be choosing who are the right Americans and who are the wrong Americans. All of us are together, white or wrong, black or right. Or peveresely. That's why my tax cut is as broad as we are. And it will give our expansion a timely second dose of wind.
I say there's a cost to inaction. I haven't done the acrobatics, but it's probably around a trillion dollars. That's a good round sum to offer to everyone, especially our seniors, who are the backache of our nation.
I would like to take a moment to mention my mother, Barbara Bush, who taught me to read and write when I was still knee high to a lawnmower. We need our seniors to be free to pass on their life's work to those they love, and especially to pass on. Thanks Mom and Dad.
We know that America is the best in the world. We are the great super premium; we cannot afford to be unleaded. We need a sharpened sword to fight our way.
The purpose of prosperity is to make sure the American dream touches every Heart with money. Progress can be slow; you measure it in inches and feet, not miles or kilograms. Or cantilevers. I worked in Texas by common sense and plain dozing. I got on with small business, because I was one myself. I'm less now. But I'm also more. We are all less and more. More or less. And I believe we must match our compassionate hearts to our preservative minds.
I know you would rather be watching TV, and so would I, so I will draw to a confusion.
My message is: I will get things done. I will inspire. I will appeal to people's better angles. I will prove that politics can be bigger than you ever thought possible. We will trust the people we serve, and serve the people we trust. But we shall not trust the people with the money of the people who paid to get us here. Together, we can do what needs to be done to preserve this great bastard of freedom.
Thank you, and God Help America.
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The thought that half of all Europeans (and Asians, and Australasians, and everyone else) had when they found out who the new US president was going to be.
The other half thought "fuck 'em".
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Bush didn't say that last quote. It was Gore, IIRC. Could've been Quayle, though...
So again, I must ask: what is your basis for believing Bush to be unintelligent?
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
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"Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world." - Dave Barry
Why thank you. I'm sure us and all the other inhabitants of North, Central, and South America will appreciate this blessing.
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"What happens on the edges of infinity, the never-never land of mathematics?"
-Miss Hodgin
I'll answer THAT question when you answer Daryus' in the other thread, okay?
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-Ultra Magnus, 15-Dec-2000
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Re: Russia in WWII
"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
Okay, i'm over it now.
Quatre
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"Omae o korusu..." - Heero Yuy
"Bush is an idiot."
For the, what is it now, third time this thread: what is your basis for that conclusion? You just keep repeating what you've said before, with no explaination. So ask yourself: why can't you give your explaination?
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
I, for one, can't wait to read the position papers written in Duhbya's own scrawl.
I don't think that I ever siad that Duhbya was stupid. Well, maybe I did. However I will say this...I think Duhbya is unintelligent, un-intellectual, often unintelligible, and not much smarter that either the fellow who works at the car wash or the average tree stump.
Other than the finely coached presiedent-Elect, eyes and ears are what I base my opinion on and the continued wait for something wholly written by himself (God bless Karen Hughes and all) that would make me take notice.
Fine traits in your average Joe and maybe even in the person of the Governor of Texas. Nevertheless, I believe all of which makes him poor presidential material in my humble opinion.
What sort of thing does Little Duhbya like to read? Does he read much? Is he an avid reader and student of the presidency like Clinton? does he like to just sit and think or does that far away "deer in the headlights" look mean he's just thinking about a really great crap he has on deck. Let's look for some of the answers to those sorts of questions.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
Yet, all Omega can do is cry foul when Bush's speech is posted ... a speech taking many statements that he has, in fact made (putting food on your family one of the funniest). What, no sense of humor?
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Come the millennium, month 12,
In the home of greatest power,
The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader
--Nostradamus, 1555
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"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet." - George W. Bush, 24 Oct 2000
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
I'll answer your question (which I haven't done yet) when you answer Daryus' question. Get to it and stop delaying.
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Come the millennium, month 12,
In the home of greatest power,
The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader
--Nostradamus, 1555
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"Mr. Vice President, in all due respect, it is - I'm not sure 80 percent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president." - George W. Bush
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"Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world." - Dave Barry
I can't see what you see if you don't tell me what you're looking at.
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
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Assume with me for a sec that there may be such a thing as a intellectual conservative though. 
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
No one ever said he was the "cream of the Conservative intellectual crop." That'd be me and Rob. I'll admit he's not some sort of uber-genius, but he's still smarter than your average bear, and he's certainly not dumb like you guys think (I still don't have a reason for that, BTW). Most people would simply flinch when they saw the US budget and the size of the numbers involved. He actually looked at it, figured in a ten year surplus, and fixed the long-term social security problem.
Anyone else here think they could do that, on top of being the governor of a relatively huge state, and running a successful campaign?
And back on subject, why do you guys believe Bush to be unintelligent? Upon what facts do you base that conclusion?
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
My subject is my subject...read my posts and you will see that they have an odd quality of linking together. Dude, this thread isn't about you. You seem to have this compulsive need to insert yourself into everything. If you can't keep all your personal arguments straight, well....
Advise...get over yourself.
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and he's certainly not dumb like you guys think (I still don't have a reason for that, BTW).
And thanks for telling me what I think. Whew, I almost forgot what I thought for a moment.
In case, BTW, you missed it...
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I think Duhbya is unintelligent, un-intellectual, often unintelligible, and not much smarter that either the fellow who works at the car wash or the average tree stump.
Nothing you have said shows me anyting different. *shrug* But you keep at it Sparky.
"He actually looked at it, figured in a ten year surplus, and fixed the long-term social security problem."
Do you have any substantive proof that it was he, and he alone that made all that stuff up? What was his role in the formation?
As for being governor of Texas, ooooo, I'm all a twitter about that. Line em up, stick the needle in and move on to the next one.
The original post of this thread was something I thought to myself at work...admittly anti-Duhbya humor...but I thought it funny. If you didn't Omega, BFD, but just for the record, it was you who brought up this Bush is a Dumbass line of thought. Congragulations of master of the meme.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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"Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world." - Dave Barry
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
Funny thing is I have an idea how Omega is going to frame his answer, so this is getting kind of fun actually.
But really, I wish people would begin to address question and answers to people again and stop the "you guys" stuff. JK is not me nor is JR or Fo2 Omega. Neither group or person is interchangeable.
Generally when I say "conservatives" I talk in broad strokes about those on the right, not really a group of people on the Boards. When I say Omega I mean Omega.
I'm not sure that anyone here can honestly say that Omega hasn't inserted himself and his ideology into most every political argument on the Boards in recent memory. His right to do so by all means. But I think that most of what he does is done more out of hubris than anything else...much like his initial response to my post in this thread. So yes UM, I think...my opinion only...that for Omega, it is all about him in many cases.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
Merry Chrimble to all and to all a good night.....
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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Disprove that.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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"Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world." - Dave Barry
So answer the question.
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Come the millennium, month 12,
In the home of greatest power,
The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader
--Nostradamus, 1555
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"Mr. Vice President, in all due respect, it is - I'm not sure 80 percent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president." - George W. Bush
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Where do you want to me to start?
What?
You want me to point out the ideological differences that seep into every thread here? How bout I point out that that the right in this country don't seem to have a fucking clue about sub cultures that permeate this bright big world that we live in. Maybe you would like some books that you could read on the subject? Would that do it for you?
I've told you before Omega, Frank, and anyone else out there that actually has a care to listen, I can only base my feelings on Bush on what he says and what he does. Is that clear enough Sally? And by what Bush says and does, he does not come across to me as a very bright bulb. In fact he comes across to me as a rather dull one who wanted something and his family went about the best way they knew how to get it for him.
And yet if I question the fact that he looks like a deer in the headlights when asked a probing question, I get the sychophants that come screaming out of the woodwork and tell me to proove it. Empirically?
What does Bush read? Fuck if I know. Fuck if you know. Although it strikes me that he read cue cards pretty damn well and takes to coaching with ease.
Does Bush discuss philosophy in his off time? Fuck if I know. Fucj if you know.
Does Bush discuss foreign policy issues in his spare time? Fuck if I know. Fuck if you know.
Does Bush know presidential history beyond Daddy? Fuck if I know. Fuck if you know.
I'm no real defender of Bill Clinton, but I at least know that he has a ravenous appetite for reading and presidential history. And I don't have to climb into his sock drawer to know that his Rhodes Scholarship gives him more credentials and ease with extemporaneous issues than a co-authored book that to me smacks of more marketing than ideas when it comes out during a presidential race.
At this point I think that Bush is little more than the second coming of Warren Harding. Maybe he'll prove me wring...or at least his handlers will.
All of which lead me to say that there are some rather glaring holes in his well purchased education that neither his poor public speaking nor his ghost written book fill. Bascily I need Bush to show me that he's smart, and I do not think that he has done so AT ALL to this point. Nor in my opinion...which won't really get to change until I get to talk to him in person because his self appointed defenders in here rather suck at defending his intellectual record...likely to change anytime real soon. Could it change? Sure. Is it likely, nope.
Prove to me that Bush wrote his entire platform as you seem to claim Omega? Oh, wait you can't. Logically that is the other side of the prove to me he's a dumbass coin. But no, you unpucker your lips enough to say 'hey, someone else said something somewhere that no one answered so I'm not going to talk anymore.'
Fine.
No one, not one single fucking national politican, can say that they looked at the budget for a decade and fixed it all by themselves.
My opinion, and mine alone is that Bush, like most national politicians, and more than most, is a product of marketing and is a package presented to the public that really would not stand close, unrehearsed and unsupervised scrutiny.
Pardon me if I let my anger show, but I get tired of people responding to subjects with nothing deeper than a:
Raul:
Prove it...
Vladimir:
No...
Canuck:
Right on Bro...
And those others who hide behind a pithy sentence rather than a deep nuanced thought.
If the world if black and white for you, it's easier that way isn't it?
So go ahead you cool right wing fellows, pick out the sentence that pissed you off most and speak to that and ingore to the rest. That's what we're good at here.
Either that or you can fall back on that tried and true strategy by sniviling 'you didn't answer my question.' Still, I'm looking for some meaningful discussion about President-Elect Scarecrow and his brain from the other side of the fence...which by the way, wasn't the real reason for the thread, but thanks to Omega, it is now.
Damn, an actual argument about issues would be nice too.
Merry Chrimble again.....
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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It is good that you are all my friends. Bless you. Bless you all.
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On a series of events
I cannot explain
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Come the millennium, month 12,
In the home of greatest power,
The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader
--Nostradamus, 1555 (Allegedly)
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"Mr. Vice President, in all due respect, it is - I'm not sure 80 percent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president." - George W. Bush
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Read chapters one and two of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! Read, read, read, read, read me now.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
"Okay, why do I think Bush is an idiot? Listen to him talk for about five minutes. How can anyone not think he's an idiot?"
So you don't base it on empirical evidence, instead on your own subjective opinion of his speaking technique? Interesting way of judging intelligence, but I think I'll stick to judging his ideas.
Jay:
"I can only base my feelings on Bush on what he says and what he does."
If this is the case, then why will you not list the things Bush says and does that make you feel him to be unintelligent?
JK:
As for you, I said I'd answer your question when you told me exactly what question you want answered. All you've done is say, "Oh, I think you know," or words to that effect.
And once I answer your question, will you answer the nine or so you haven't answered from that same thread?
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
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If this is the case, then why will you not list the things Bush says and does that make you feel him to be unintelligent?
Oh, it's not like we've been down to road before. But just be be short and sweet, I watched the debates and I've watched speaches that he given. When well coached he's marginal, when not he's horrible.
And I'm not talking just about the gammer fuck-ups either...although I still want my president to be able to form complete sentences and have correct word usage, that's kind of neat.
Now, if you want me to go and find all the interviews and speaches I saw on CSPAN or CNN of Bush during the campaign, well, you are going to have to wait till I get press credentials or you can make a trip to the National Archives to the find the video. Till then, your SOL.
Goodness, I don't even know that I want to listen to the NPR archives to fill the void in your life for you.
The rest of what I wrote was well neglected Omgea. Keep sticking to those talking points. Props.
Merry Chrible to all and to all a prosperous time of day after the sun has gone below your local horizon.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
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Speaking technique and intelligence level aren't generally considered to be related, in case you weren't aware of that.
Personally, I consider it a sign of low intelligence when someone can't answer a simple question, but, hey! That's just my opinion.
And yes, I ignored the majority of your post, because it was an irrelevant rant.
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
Jay answered your question. It's not his fault you can't recognize the answer to an objective question. It's not a "yes" or "no", you might be aware. If you don't like his reasonings, that's too bad. Jay said why he doesn't find "Dubya" particularly intelligent. Deal with it.
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"Mr. Vice President, in all due respect, it is - I'm not sure 80 percent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president." - George W. Bush
He's made a few retarded sentences, yes. But considering he's publicly spoken for many hours, ten sentences doesn't amount to a whole lot.
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Forumer 1: I think Bush is an idiot.
Forumer 2: What basis do you have to believe that?
Forumer 1: I don't have to tell you, its my opinion!
Forumer 2: I'm confused... What basis do you have to believe that?
etc. etc.
In fact, I've seen most discussions end up this way, especially in threads where Omega is involved. I'm beginning to see a trend. I'm beginning to think you guys enjoy arguing if only to read your own text.
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Greg: You bought me a urinal cookie?
Mike: Not just any ordinary urinal cookie! It has the AOL logo embossed on it!
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There is a big wide world out there and I've seen quite a bit of it and have formed opinions of it while watching. If you want to see the things that I've used to form my opinions about, again I point you to the CSPAN, CNN and NPR archives. You can go watch and learn.
And, I am stating an opinion on all those things I've watched and heard. I'm not writing a master's thesis and I'm not going to footnote my opinion. Esp not for someone who seems to think that Bush wrote the Budget all by himself (that's a rather pityful way to think).
So, off with you now...fly like a little fairy and listen to CSPAN and NPR. Go, listen and learn.
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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns
Go, listen...there are just hours and hours of stuff for you to have a ball watching and listening too.
Now, were I writing a paper about Bush and his inate lack of much on top, well I would have sat there and footnoted each fuck-up and each time he was clueless about any given policy. But the evidence is all there for you to go watch and learn about too.
Fly now with the other faries of the night and learn.
{QUOTE]Most people would simply flinch when they saw the US budget and the size of the numbers involved. He actually looked at it, figured in a ten year surplus, and fixed the long-term social security problem.[/QUOTE]
Although, when I do finally write a paper about Bush, I'll be sure to use that as definitive proof that he in fact did write the budgetary solution all by himself. Now was that on the kitchen table of the ranch house at 3am over bowl of Trix or was that perhaps drafted on the back of a Reader's Didgest in the Texas Governor's offical shitter?
Oh, HOLD ON A BLOODY SECOND THERE! Damn, I thought I was changing the topic for second and asking the other side for an opinion. Sorry about that fellows.
Back to me...cause I love me sooooo much. Again, my opinion is based on my life experience that for fusk's sake I haven't footnoted...that's why it's an opinion in case you missed that in class. Again, when I write a paper about Bush and if at that point I feel moved to call him a paper hanging-thumb-up-the-ass-moron, then you can bet by GUM I'll have gone to the National Archives and backed that THEORY up.
Then again, you fellow haven't read much about history, culture and theory have you? Pitty.
Continue having a Merry Chrimble.
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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson
And I might add, one who lives in a fantasy world much like you do Omega.
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Omega is about as much as a fairy as Stalin was a dyed in the wool Nazi.
And yes Jay, you be DAMN sexy. *L*
Hell, Omega could be damn sexy too but do we care? Not hardly.
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"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
fairy, �n. 1. (in folklore) one of a class of supernatural beings, generally conceived as having a diminutive human form and possessing magical powers.
Sure sounds like Omega, since I refuse to believe anyone's head could get that thick w/o something supernatural and magical involved... :-)
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Um, nor do I discourage them either.
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000
Does anyone have his academic record on hand? I'd like to see his geography and international studies scores.
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Re: Russia in WWII
"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
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With the exception that Gore didn't graduate, IIRC. I could be wrong, but I know he flunked out of divinity school.
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Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000
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"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
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So yes, if you are in Divinity school you are shooting for the clergy of whatever sort.
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"Well, Omega, what is wrong with that?"
I did not say, nor did I imply, that there is anything wrong with failing out of college. Reading what you're replying to in full might be a good idea. I was responding to Sol's statement that Gore "sailed through college" in the same manner that Bush did.
"if the Republicans hadn't stolen the election"
What is your rational basis for the conclusion that the Republicans stole the election?
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"How curious," said Omega.
Yes. Now then, when I say sailed, I of course mean coasted through their years of higher education thanks solely to their entrenched familial ties and the large amounts of wealth they represented.
"That's an awful lot for one word to say," said Omega.
Well, work them hard, I say. Now then, what was this Jabberwock business you mentioned?
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"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000
Of course, that's happened several times before, it's been understood to be irrelevant for well over 200 years, and the reasons for it are pretty clear to those who actually paid attention during high school civics or PoD classes, so I don't see why it should matter now. We should change all the rules for friggin' GORE?
Not to mention the penguin story.
Down in the Falklands, the penguins watch as the jets fly overhead.
Sometimes, the jets fly off to the left... and 100 million penguins' heads turn slowly left.
Sometimes, the jets fly off to the right... and 100 million penguins' heads turn slowly right.
Sometimes, the jets fly directly overhead... and 100 million penguins fall softly over onto their backs.
Moral: If 100 million people do a stupid thing, whether it's watching jets or voting for Gore, it's STILL a stupid thing.
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All I said was that Gore got more votes, and you accuse me of sleeping in class and being unaware of what the electoral college is! Are you feeling insecure about Dubya going into the White House? Do you deny that Gore got more votes? What color are your nose hairs? And do you honestly think Penguins are people? if 100 million people do a stupid thing, whether its watching jets or voting for Gore
And, I believe, "His Fradulency" is the term most commonly given to Presidents who win the electoral college and not the popular vote.
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Moral: If people disagree with you, then they are stupid. If they agree with you, then Democracy rules, man!
But if whoever the majority voted for someone is irrelevent, then I guess Ultra Magnus has the right idea. Facism rules, man!
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Now, we can tell the people running for president to only campaign those people in the EC, which would save millions of dollars every 4 years.
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And it is a fact. According the this election, more people in the country as a whole voted for Gore. And that hasn't happened all that much in presidential history.
The system is changing a bit. The 3rd parties are more able to take more disgruntled Americans into their folds. The two major parties are going to have address this if they want to survive in the years to come.
Our only hope is that someone turns off the headlights Deer-Elect Bush is standing in.
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Good grief man, you read nonexistent stuff into EVERYTHING, don't you? Sleeping in class? Did I EVER say you, or anyone, was asleep? Was I even making a DIRECT comment when I referred to "anyone", oh Great Definer? What, you can find all sorts of definitions for 'may,' but 'anyone' HAS to apply to YOU??
No wonder you hold the views you do. You're the Mad Extrapolator! Do you have tights and a cape to go with that crusade?
I'll forgive you your misunderstanding of the penguin story -- not everyone understands the political/literary nuances of "Bloom County."
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Probably one of the most-disproved theories in history, scientifically, historically, socially, and in every other way, is "the majority is right."
Being in the majority only, ONLY means that you have more warm bodies to throw at the other side. It would still mean the same thing even if the Demoncrats won.
Liam:"Moral: If people disagree with you, then they are stupid."
Yes, we've already established that. Well, not stupid, per se, but generally lacking in some area, whether it be logical reasoning, crucial informational data, perspective, or what-have-you. But ALWAYS lacking.
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Should I have offered sleeping/goofing off/doodling/talking to cute girl as options to choose from, then, First?
Pull that stick out of yer' own ass, since yer' the one freaking out when ever someone suggests that - gasp! - Dubya is His Fraudulency. As for the Popular Vote, see the quote in my signature. This is the guy you voted for. Hope yer' happy when we don't have elections in four years
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What, you were dozing when that discussion came up too?
As for the 'no elections in four years' CRAP, it doesn't really merit any more than a sneer of 'now who's paranoid?' But since you asked... only TWO things that could really make me worry that that might happen:
ONE: if 'the majority' were to elect a Fundie-mental minister (like Pat Robertson)... in which case he could TRY that, but there are safeguards in place against that possibility *wink*.
TWO: if we had actually elected the man who, on a tour of Monticello, while the CNN cameras were rolling, and stanging in front of busts of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Lafayette, said, and I quote, "Who are those guys?" -- Al Gore.
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You mean like that private gun ownership that JK wants to make impossible?
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Probably one of the most-disproved theories in history, scientifically, historically, socially, and in every other way, is "the majority is right."
Jerry Falwell is a good example.
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I want to create a society in which no one needs to own a handgun to feel safe walking outside to get their newspaper. Why you're against at least trying to create that kind of society is completely unbelievable to me ...
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000
Personally, Out here I'm more often worried about the occasional rabid raccoon (easier to pop at close range with a handgun than a rifle) than I am about being mugged on the way to get the mail.
Its when I go into those nice, urban, heavily democratic-voting areas that I worry about needing it for short walks...
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000
In fact, most criminal enterprises are extremely innefficient in the open countryside, with the exception of marijuana offenses and petty vandalism.
It's not easy for a man on foot to go on a crime spree with so much distance separating targets.
Everybody knows pretty much everybody, which makes troublemakers easy to identify.
In my experience, country folks (at least, those not on relief) tend to have a mindset that is not conducive to the kind of selfish crime that you find in urban areas: That is, that an honest day's work is preferable.
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I attribute crime in urban areas to higher useage of drugs. Most murders in Baltimore and DC are drug related -- I'm surprised you haven't noted the Jamican drug war in D.C. about 12 years ago, was it? Now, if we could just get drug addicts treatment instead of throwing them into jail expecting that to do anything, we'd be somewhere, but ...
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000
I heard someone once say that the only truly effective way to end the drug problem (and I'm NOT endorsing this, by the way) would be for someone to step in to dealing... and tamper, fatally, with the drugs.
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"I want to create a society in which no one needs to own a handgun to feel safe walking outside to get their newspaper. Why you're against at least trying to create that kind of society is completely unbelievable to me ..."
Who said I was? My point is that, in the currently existing society, the right to privately own a weapon greatly increases the safety of the people. It also prevents any wackos from taking over the country, be they petty dictators, or misguided religious types. Therefore, people should be allowed to own and carry weapons, and under the constitution, they are.
You want to create some mythical Utopian society. Well, you have good intentions. Unfortunately, until you can present a way to create this wonderful society of yours, then that's ALL you have. There's a road involving good intentions, you know.
Please, by all means, if you can come up with a viable plan to completely eliminate crime, do it. Heck, I'll help you implement it. Until then, though, I prefer to deal with the real world.
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"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
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Omega, what I want to do is get the assault rifles off the street. I want to make sure that people who buy firearms know how to use them, and aren't likely to go psycho and shoot other people for reasons known only to themselves. I do want registration, but more sinister, I want people to go to a shrink so that we know the guy (or gal) getting an Uzi isn't likely to go use it on the holiday shoppers at the local shopping mall.
At least I'm working towards a better society: all you seem able to do is cower under the "real world" cover that you enjoy so much. Your real world apparently consists of hypocritical Christians who proclaim His word on one hand, yet support the death penalty on the other. Now, I'm a (non-practicing) Roman Catholic, but I'm well aware that the Pope came out and quite clearly said that the Death Penalty is an abomination to God. Even if you're not a Roman Catholic, the Bible clearly says, "Thou Shalt Not Kill", yet that doesn't stop you from buying guns (which, don't kid yourself, are only made to take human life), or supporting the Death Penalty.
You know what? I'm even a card-carrying member of the ACLU.
But at least I'm working to making a difference for the better in this world, Omega. If the worst you can attack me with is that I'm an Idealist, than take your best shot.
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000
Also, the Pope is a mockery of all men are equal, with this one man being supposedly closer to God than anyother, which I suppose should be in a thread of its own.
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Meanwhile, if I ever find a society without weapons, I'm conquering it with a hammer.
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Omega, what I want to do is get the assault rifles off the street.
As do I. However, they are already illegal, so more laws are not the answer. Increased funding for law enforcement, on the other hand, would seem like a good idea, as would an Attourney General who actually enforces the law.
I want to make sure that people who buy firearms know how to use them, and aren't likely to go psycho and shoot other people for reasons known only to themselves.
How do you intend to do this? Do you know how utterly rare it is that someone snaps and goes postal like that? Do you know how few of the people that snap can be determined to be risk factors beforehand? Also, since you say that you don't want guns taken away completely, do you really trust the people that DO not to do it? Once you allow the government to set the standards by which one may defend one's self, what's to prevent them from upping the standards to an impossible level? Why should you trust them NOT to do the things they say that they want to do?
I want people to go to a shrink so that we know the guy (or gal) getting an Uzi isn't likely to go use it on the holiday shoppers at the local shopping mall.
IIRC, it's illegal to even OWN, much less buy an Uzi in the US. We're talking handguns and rifles, here.
At least I'm working towards a better society
Exactly how do you define "better?" You don't seem to have any clear-cut ideas. You say you want to get rid of assault weapons, then you say that you want people who want to BUY an assault weapon to go through psychiatric screening. You also don't seem to take into account the effects of an immensely powerful government.
Your "better society" doesn't seem very well thought through.
guns (which, don't kid yourself, are only made to take human life)
No, they're made to fire a lead projectile at high velocity. What the user intends determines what it does.
Say I point a gun at you. What's the first thing you're going to do. How do you react? I don't mean saying anything, what PHYSICALLY are you doing, and therefore what effect has my pointing the gun had on you?
There's your other use for a gun.
Then there's the hunters, and the people who just like to shoot at targets...
I suppose water is meant only for rain?
If the worst you can attack me with is that I'm an Idealist, than take your best shot.
ME, attack an idealist? Heck, no. I'm pointing out flaws in your ideals themselves.
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"This will make mowing my lawn MUCH easier!"
Just how many uses can a gun be put to that don't involve killing? Lets see. Hammering in a nail. Unplugging a sink. Levering a boulder. A walking stick. A prop for a roof. A spare door handle.
As you can see, guns have many varied uses!
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"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
Now, that fella up in Massachussets is a good example. He's on anti-depressents, yet he gets his hands on some guns. Why would you want someone on anti-depressents having a gun? What if he decided to go off his meds? I mean, this is a pretty clear-cut case why some people should not have guns.
You know, it all comes back to taxes. The Howard County police last year were going to buy new sidearms (SigSauers, I believe) for the force ... 300 or so officers. Unfortunatly, they didn't have enough dinero, so they were going to partially fund it by selling their existing weapons back to the company, which could then in turn put those guns back on the street. Isn't it sad when the only way a Police Department can arm its officers is by putting guns BACK on the streets? Needless to say, the citizens of Howard County weren't very happy with that, and the County Executive funneled the PD some more money. Still, if a raise in taxes goes to fund the police, I more than support it. As it is, a reduction in taxes would only hurt our already over-stretched law enforcement agencies.
Re: The Uzi. It is hardly illegal. True, you've got to be a member of the Secret Service to use them, but ... actually, the UZI was just an analogy. There are loopholes which allow private citizens to own MP-5s (which are suposed to be only for police and military), so I wouldn't be surprised if a regular citizen could find one for an UZI somehow. But ... the point of the argument was to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of people who aren't mentally equipped to handle them, and might cause great harm to innocent bystanders if s/he decides to go on a shooting rampage inside a Barnes & Noble. An argument that you completely avoided, I noticed ...
Of course the end-goal is to get rid of all weapons completely. We'll make an exemption for certain weapons used for hunting, because, hey, that's fine. I've no doubt this won't happen before I die, but I'm more than happy to work for it. The first step to create a safer society is to make sure that the nut cases don't get their hands on weapons. Again, Mr. McDermont up in Massachussets is a clear example. That would be step 1.
As for the government grabbing weapons, that is just plain and simple paranoia. NRA-sponsered paranoia, as it is. Why you refuse to accept that people buy guns legally then commit illegal acts with them is again beyond me.
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If people are loonies, LOCK THEM UP. THEN treat them. DON'T punish US for their doings. Have you SEEN a picture of this McDermont guy? Practically SCREAMS 'abberant'
The percentage of legally owned firearms used to commit crimes is something like .0045% I'll try to look the exact numbers up for you later.
This is what we people in the technical fields generally term as 'insignificant.'
Did it occur to you that the drop in Baltimore could be due to new standards of enforcement? I understand that they're finally starting to enforce the mandatory extra jail time if you use a gun in a crime. That seems to work about everywhere they try it.
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"The following people please report to the county lock-up, Sol System, that is all."
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That still doesn't explain why the crime rate in Austin went UP. Aren't you a supporter of the theory that if everyone carries a gun, less crime will occur? Seems to be the opposite in Texas.
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All things being equal, yes. However, I would wager that all things are not equal.
I freely admit, and everybody else should realize, that there are other factors which influence the crime rate BEYOND an armed populace. Including, but not limited to, law enforcement strategies, methods of counting and surveying crime statistics (HCI, for example, is great at 'cooking' statistics to say what they want them to), racial tension, economics, et cetera.
However, if none of these or any other circumstances change, then generally adding a concealed carry permit to the mix (obtainable, as it is, only through sherrifs departments and via a small legal hassle during which you are tested and investigated) tends to reduce crime levels.
That reminds me of something else. The Handgun Control people always react, whenever a state passes a handgun concealed carry law, as though now ANYBODY could go in and get one.
This is patently untrue. Round here, it is required that one pursue a permit through the sherrif's department, have it signed by two reputable citizens (preferably police officers), and submit to an extensive FBI background check before being approved.
As for carrying unconcealed, while legal without a permit, it isn't done for the simple reason that a guy walking down the street with a visible gun will attract a LOT of negative attention. If a cop spots him, he'll most likely put him up against the wall, take the weapon, handcuff him, and take him in for questioning.
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"That's the last time I have a headcheese hoagie before bedtime." - Leonard Nimoy
"First, log on to porn. Oh, it seems you're way ahead of the game, you've got sites bookmarked. Oh yes, I forgot, you are CS students, aren't you? Silly me. Anyways, after you've called up your favorite porn site, you'll want to take your mouse ball, and - this is my favorite - in conjunction with your 'Thrust'master joystick..."
And so it continues.
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