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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :

"DEMOCRACY ORIGINATED IN THE MIND OF A RATIONAL BEING WHO HAS THE DEEPEST HATRED FOR GOD."

"Middle-class blacks are foolishly frustrated that they still are, to some degree, prevented from serving satan as do whites. They will not be satisfied until they have the freedom to serve him equally. "

"Every person who calls himself a "CHRISTIAN," and serves in any branch of the armed forces and fights in a war to protect America's interests, fights to protect a nation of heathens who hate God."

More interesting Anti-American and otherwise completely insane snippets.

Let the flames begin.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Very cool. Agg...if only I could get my hands of the religious right. What a bunch of hypocritical wankers.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

You want the hands of the religious right, I want their heads. I think we could come to some arrangement...

You see... religion makes some people kooky.
In fact, I'd wager it makes more people kooky than just about anything else.
We should ban it.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I'm all for nuking the Religious Right (who are neither).

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

"No private ownership of Bibles!"

"Bibles don't kill people, Bible-THUMPERS kill people!"

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Posted by LOA (Member # 49) on :

Just a friendly reminder:

Not ALL religious people are like this though.... I'm religious, very much so, but you don't see ME subscribing to that philosophy.....

This is an example of the worst type of "christian" -- the kind that brings a bad name to every other Christian out there... this is NOT something that's taught in all churches, and this is not exactly what the Bible encourages us to do, either.... just be careful not to generalize these people with all of us, please? God isn't about hate... He's about love, and whether it was the intention or not, this article TOTALLY misses that point. :-P

~LOA

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Reminds me of the Nightwatch...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Fair enough. Just too many of you cling anal-retentively to the Old Testament like that guy does.

And the God of the OT is NOT any loving, forgiving God. He's a fire-and-brimstone heaving, 'thou shalt not kill, until I tell you to frag every living thing inside the city walls' kind of God.

The NT God is nicer, though I often wonder what caused his drastic personality change. Mid-eternity crisis?

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Liz is absolutely right. I always hate having to defend my faith :P

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

From Network Solutions
Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
LEE, ROBERT T (RTL12) [email protected]
SOCIETY FOR THE PRACTICAL ESTABLISHMENT AND PERPETUATION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

Or click here

Lives in Georgia for the Lords sake.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

You don't need a defense for your faith.
You need an offense against those who use it poorly.
We're tired of cleaning up other people's messes.
It's way past time for people of faith to take responsibility for their faith, and what their brethren in the faith may be doing against it.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Nicely put First.

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"One's ethics are determined by what we do when no one is looking"

Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Indeed, I should hold you responsible for what white supremacists do in the name of the 'white' race, then?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Oy... Wide-spread ignorance so makes my head hurt...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

The obvious difference, Jeff, is that 'whiteness' is an unalterable condition of being, whereas religion is a choice to subscribe to a set doctrine of beliefs, and to act according to them. There is no "white" belief system or actions.

"White Supremacy" IS a belief system, however, and members of it are thusly responsible for the actions of that faith. If I were a white supremacist, your argument would be valid. But I'm not, I don't subscribe to that belief system, so it isn't.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I suspect that a lot of christians would argue that they support a different "faith" than the bunch of nutters who are described in the above articles. Or are you saying that all Christians, everywhere, are responsible?

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

I'd say that we are all responsible...
I am resposible to teach my son not to be a relegious zealot.
I am resposible to teach him not to be a skin head.

Thus not perpetuating these particular stupidities.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

To thoroughly mangle an analogy...

If it calls itself a duck, we will generally assume it's a duck.

If it's a goose, calling itself a duck, the ducks should be pissed off and yelling in its face, 'you're a fuckin' GOOSE! Quit calling yourself a duck, you're making us look bad!'

Tacit acceptance of the goose by the ducks leads an observer to conclude that the goose is welcome among the ducks.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

People like these make people like me, Liz, and Jeff look bad.

I think this guy actually summed it rather well, when he said this:

"Any person that does not have the right attitude about God's moral Law is not a genuine saint, regardless of what they profess."

He's off base scripturally on practically EVERYTHING. I won't judge a person based on knowing them for a decade, much less some abstract ideas on the web, but IF we assume that everything this guy stands for is included on his site, he does not constitute a Christian, in that he does not follow the teachings of Christ. I'm not saying he's not, but if he is, then he needs to clarify his website. What's that verse about eschewing the appearance of evil?

Notable quotes:

"The news media is the worse institution in America, and the most despicable."

Well, maybe they got ONE thing close to right...

"One cannot have thoughts of a true GOD without actually thinking of the true God, because there is no true God other than the true God."

Well... duh?

"How do you make life miserable for heathens? By making it that they must submit to God's righteousness."

Has this guy read the Bible at all? IIRC, Revelation says that everyone's gonna have to do this sooner or later...

"YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE WRONG"

Oh, sure I do.

"He who agrees with america's constitution and its system of democracy becomes moonstruck and goes crazy."

I literally laughed out loud at that one. This guy is a hick. How'd he ever figure out how to set up a domain name, anyway?

"All major news media in America is the main medium by which satan and his demons speak to the American public."

I can hardly type, I'm laughing so hard.

"The senators and congressmen are also the medium by which the people make their desires known unto satan, and one means by which satan answers their prayers."

So how does the POTUS work into this system? Does this make Bill Clinton Satan?

"I have nightmares after reading the American constitution and its amendments."

Sure you don't mean "headaches" here, buddy?

"America is the leading anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-Jesus Christ nation on earth."

And this would include China, where people can be shot for believing the above?

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I think this guy is really trying to create an entirely new religion, that has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity except the name.

Here's a handy guide for you. Christianity can be boiled down to a very few statements and commands. Keep in mind that this IS my analysis, and that I am fallible (yes, I did just say that). I may have missed something important, but this is the general idea:

1) God loves you, under all circumstances.

2) You owe God. BIG. Therefore, you should do what He says.

3) Love God.

4) Love everyone else.

5) Especially, love yourself. God does, after all.

6) Tell as many as possible of the above.

It's really that simple. Anyone who calls themselves Christian, and yet does not do the above, is seriously misguided or misinformed.

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-Thomas Jefferson

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Personally, I'd call "Christianity" the belief in God (and by association, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, who always gets left out of stuff like this. The poor guy must hav ea real inferiority complex. He does at least as much work as Jesus, and gets no respect. Tch.). Anything else is negotiable.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Quick Question for ya', Omega ...

Does Rule #2 apply to the Commandment not to kill? If yes, how do you justify owning a firearm knowing that God does not want you to kill? IIRC, it's "Thou Shalt Not Kill", not "Thou Shalt Not Murder"

Also, explain the contradictory attitude regarding the death penalty and the above commandment?

Re: #4, shouldn't you also then love and forgive people who commit criminal acts against you? You don't want to shoot someone you love, do you?

Just wondering.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

I emailed the guy, he hasn't answered back as of yet, and his contact email address from Network Solutions isn't good.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

JeffK, the King James version lists it as "Thou shall not kill," but it is a mistranslation(there are quite a few in the Bible). It is supposed to be "You shall not murder."

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

"there are quite a few in the Bible"

And yet, many cling to these 'mistranslations' as if they were, indeed, the word of God.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

JK:

Does Rule #2 apply to the Commandment not to kill? If yes, how do you justify owning a firearm knowing that God does not want you to kill?

Boy, you have to bring guns into everything, don't you?

a) The commandments were given to the Jews/Hebrews/Isrealites. A Christian is, by definition, one that follows the teachings of Christ, not the teachings of Moses as given to him by God. Now, according to Christ, the entirity of the law can be summed as two commandments. "Love God," and, "Love everyone else like you love yourself," which requires that you love yourself, as well.

b) You just don't seem to get that just because I will own a gun, I would only kill the ever-hypothetical robber if he was directly threatening someone. I'm sure you'd do the same thing. Otherwise, there's this little technique where you point the gun at the guy and say, "Hey, don't move." Then you await the arrival of local law enforcement.

c) Given that, your question is moot.

Also, explain the contradictory attitude regarding the death penalty and the above commandment[.]

I've done this already. I did it in the abortion thread, too. Guess you weren't paying attention. Again.

I hold a different position legislatively on the death penalty than I do morally. As a moral POV, I'd say that the death penalty is wrong. However, I'd also say that a decent possibility for actually reforming criminals would be to lock them in a cell with a Bible for six months, along with daily visits from a priest. What would you say if I tried to have that legislated? Or maybe if I tried to have pre-marital sex outlawed? Heck, practically everyone agrees that it's wrong to cheat on your spouse. Do you think we should make a law against that?

Just because I think something is morally wrong doesn't mean I should try to outlaw it. That would be forcing my belief system on others.

shouldn't you also then love and forgive people who commit criminal acts against you?

Of course I should. But forgiveness doesn't mean withholding of consequences. For an INCREDIBLY hypothetical example, say I slept with my hypothetical girlfriend. I pray for forgiveness, and I get it, as the Bible says, but as it turns out, GF's pregnant. Just because I get forgiven for the sin doesn't mean there aren't consequences.

"You don't want to shoot someone you love, do you?"

Not unless it is the only way I can prevent a more unpleasant alternative from coming to pass (say, the death of an innocent), which, as I've stated more than once before, is the only time I can see myself doing so. Pay attention, for once. I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

We get tired of hearing you repeat yourself.

BTW, anyone touch the "say I slept with my hypothitical girlfriend" as an example of sin comment, and I will kill you dead.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Is there some other way to kill someone than dead that we're not aware of, Liam?

Posted by LOA (Member # 49) on :

One other thing I'd just like to say..... Christians aren't perfect... we're no better than anyone else, though some people seem to think that because the know Christ, that makes them better. It doesn't... we all sin, no matter what... if we didn't, then what Christ did for us would mean nothing. We're human, we're fallible, and we too make mistakes and think incorrectly. I'm not defending the man who did that site, because I STRONGLY disagree with what he said. But how is it any different than if on the site was a man talking who was directly AGAINST Christianity? What if the whole intention of the site was to put God down? Would it suddenly become the responsibility of any non-Christians out there to shut him up? No.... pretty much, everyone just needs to remember this-- no one on this world is perfect, REGARDLESS of what they believe in. Only one man EVER came through this Earth and lived a sinless life, and he paid dearly for it. I truly believe that, and I'll stand by it 'til the day I die. But that doesn't make me perfect or any better than anyone else here, and I'll admit to it.

Christianity isn't out to prove all Christians to be better. Don't blame the belief system. Instead blame the people who take the belief system and twist it out of control. I don't control them any better than I control any of you. The only person I can control is myself (and even THAT is hard sometimes!)

I hope this all made sense. I'm drugged up pretty heavily again.... kinda hard to think straight, and I think I forgot my point a LONG time again.... Pleh!

~LOA

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I've got a very strong urge to watch "DOGMA" again.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

"we're no better than anyone else"

It's nice to hear that there are indeed some Christians who feel this way. It seems the only Christians who get representation are guys like Jack Van Impe and Jerry Falwell, and that Phelps (sp?) guy.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

So, sometime in the fairly recent past, Christianity decided to drop that whole "God's chosen people" and "We're going to heaven, and you're NOT, unless you go OUR way" stuff?

I think that'd be news to virtually EVERY Christian 'round these here parts...

Really. You choose to attach yourself to a belief system that REQUIRES you be on your best behavior, and yet, you're no better than anybody else? Why bother, then?

While it may not be out to PROVE you better, it most certainly is out to MAKE you better. If it's not, something must be seriously wrong. Either it doesn't work, or you're not doing it right.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

"The news media is the worse institution in America, and the most despicable."

*sniff*

That's just a thing of beauty. I'll have to ask that horrid thing to stop paying me.

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

Fascinating link, Charles. I find it hard to believe that almost all of the comments either have no biblical base, or read the bible upside down.

Apparently he doesn't know that the constitution was written by people who were devout Christians. Oops I'm blaspheming ("To say that America was established on Christian principles is blasphemy")

Here's one:
The musical "Beauty and the Beast" made by atheist homosexual heathens at Walt Disney is designed to subtly create tolerance in the foolish american society for BESTIALITY ! (Wow, who didn't see that one coming? But is it just me, or was Beauty and the Beast before the Disney era?)

Okay, this is sickening. But the one question remains, Which is the "True Christianity"? Any answers?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

SB:

"Which is the "True Christianity"?"

What I posted a while back. A Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ. These listed are the heart of the teachings of Christ, IMO.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

"I do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one single redeeming feature." -- Thomas Jefferson

Doesn't sount all that Devout a Christian to me... Neither, for that mater, do Thomas Paine or many other of the Founding Fathers. (Don't make me pull out my collection of quotes again). Religious, yes, to the extent that they believed in a Creator God and acknowledged the tenets of Christianity as useful. But not very Christian for their time or this.

And the Treaty of Tripoli refuted, at least on paper, the idea that the USA is a "Christian" nation.

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

The twisted freaks who write these articles demean not just other Christians but the whole human race. That someone with a potentially useful brain can be reduced to such a slavering bigot.
(FYI, I speak as an atheist)
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