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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush abandoned a campaign pledge on Tuesday, telling Congress he would not seek to impose mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide at electrical power plants.The move angered environmentalists and was at odds with
the spirit of the Kyoto Protocol, the 1997 U.N. climate pact accord aimed at reducing greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. The accord was signed by the United States but has not been ratified by the Senate and Bush opposes it.Bush had declared in a presidential campaign speech on energy that carbon dioxide is a pollutant, and thus susceptible to emissions controls, but aides said on Tuesday it had been a mistake to do so since it is not listed as a pollutant under the Clean Air Act.
Reuters
One campaign promise down.
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
Case in point, Jeb Bush. For many years now, oil companies have been wanting to drill in the Gulf of Mexico, almost due south of Pensacola (My home) and one of Brotha' Jeb's promises has been "NO WAY that will EVER happen". Well, guess what. It's not gonna happen. Jeb's kept his promise to keep the oil rigs out of the Gulf and our beaches, lovely as they are, will remain that way as long as Jeb's in office.
Ironic, ain't it?
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"Okashii na... namida ga nagareteru. Hitotsu mo kanashikunai no ni."
(That's funny... my tears are falling. And I'm not sad at all.) - Quatre Raberba Winner
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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
And Tallahasee is quite a ways from the 'glades. Besides, they don't eat roadkill in the 'glades. Alligators tho...
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"Okashii na... namida ga nagareteru. Hitotsu mo kanashikunai no ni."
(That's funny... my tears are falling. And I'm not sad at all.) - Quatre Raberba Winner
Typical Right-winger.
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"Or maybe he was a real quack who got sick and tired of pissing people off, and decided to get a life and masterbate for the next 10 years."
- Me to Antagonist on Red Quacker, 03/08/01 20:15
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
For more info.
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
Perhaps I might think differently if I lived in a giant city, but given the choice between smog and being able to cook, clean, watch TV, use the computer, have A/C, and SEE at night... I'd probably take smog. And just drive an LEV.
Human activity is not the major source of CO2. Sorry. Our impact in that area remains minimal.
Is Global Warming happening? Looks like it.
Are humans exacerbating it? Maybe.
If we end all our emissions, will it stop? Almost certainly not. The Earth has warmed and cooled many, many times over its history. It's been a bit cool, now it's getting warmer again. Millennia ago, hippos used to wallow in the Thames. Millennia ago, the Sahara bloomed. We didn't change that.
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
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You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
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"Philosophy is written in this grand book - I mean universe-which stands continuously
open to our gaze, but which cannot be understood unless one first learns to
comprehend the language in which it is written. It is written in the language
of mathematics, and its characters are triangles, circles and other geometric
figures, without which it is humanly impossible to understand a single word
of it; without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth."
Galileo (1623)
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
You know, I seem to recall reading that Clinton signed into law in Arkansas a bill forbidding a river from rising above the level of the bridge on main street in Little Rock, or something stupid like that. This wouldn't surprise me at all.
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
(Oh come on, it was a slam dunk, my man)
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Don't kill me, I'm charming!
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
Which gets me to thinking: We humans are doing a pretty piss poor as stewards on this little blue-green planet but NOTHING can compare how ol' Ma Nature can fuck the world for us by letting out one great big ol' ocean fart.
That is all. You may go now.
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"Okashii na... namida ga nagareteru. Hitotsu mo kanashikunai no ni."
(That's funny... my tears are falling. And I'm not sad at all.) - Quatre Raberba Winner
Besides, the major use of the rainforests isn't oxygen production anyway (since we get most of that from the sea), it's the natural wildlife, possible new drugs, and other fun stuff.
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You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Or could cars and power plants and fossil fuels and even Simon's inate sexxy persona have something to do with it.
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
[This message has been edited by Jay (edited March 15, 2001).]
And The Washington Post confirmed that Bush is indeed breaking a campaign promise. Not surprising -- every politician breaks their campaign promises. Which is why you're stupid to believe campaign promises in the first place.
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"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make them my friends?" - Abraham Lincoln
"America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room. Every time it wags its tail it knocks over a chair." - Arnold Toynbee
"Fighting for peace is like f***ing for virginity." - Anonymous
"Our bombs are smarter than [George W. Bush]. At least they can find Kuwait." - A. Whitney Brown
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Oooh, The Washington Post. I'm real impressed. They have a great history of telling the truth and being unbiased.
I have yet to hear exactly what campaign promise he broke. Can anyone tell me?
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
SOME of the volcanoes which have erupted since 1980, since you asked:
Taken from "World Almanac and Book of Facts, 2001 edition"
AFRICA
Mt. Cameroon
Nyiragong
Nyamuragira
Ol Doinyo Lengal
Fogo
Karthala
Piton de la Fournaise
Lake Nyos
Erta-Ale
ANTARTCTICA
Erebus
ASIA-OCEANIA
Kliuchevskoi
Kerinci
Semeru
Slamet
Raung
Shiveluch
On-take
Mayon
Merapi
Bezymianny
Ruapehu
Peuet Sague
Heard
Asama
Niigata Yake-yama
Canlaon
Alaid
Ulawun
Galunggung
Bagana
Sangeang Api
Soputan
Manam
Kuju
Karangetang-Api Siau
Kelut
Adatare
Gamalama
Kirishima
Gamkonora
Pinatubo
Aso
Lokon-Empung
Bulusan
Sarychev Peak
Akan
Akademia nauk
Karymsky
Lopevi
Akita-Yake-yama
Unzen
Ambrym
Langila
Awu
Sakura-jima
Komaga-take
Dukono
Miyake-jima
Krakatau
Suwanose-jima
Gaua
Oshima
Usu
Rabaul
Pagan
Yasur
White Island
McDonald Islands
CENTRAL AMERICA
Tacana
Santa Maria
Fuego
Poas
Pacaya
San Miguel
Rincon de la Vieja
San Cristobal
Arenal
Concepcion
Soufriere Hills
Masaya
SOUTH AMERICA
Tupungatito
Lascar
Ruiz
Sangay
Irruputuncu
Guagua Pichincha
Galeras
Llaima
Villarrica
Cerro Hudson
Fernandina
MID-PACIFIC
Mauna Loa
Kilauea
MID-ATLANTIC
Jan Mayen
Grimsvotn
Hekla
Krafla
Surtsey
EUROPE
Etna
Stromboli
NORTH AMERICA
Popocatepetl
Colima
Redoubt
Shishaldin
Pavlof
St. Helens
Veniaminof
El Chichon
Makushin
Cleveland
Gareloi
Atka
Korovin
Akutan
Kiska
Augustine
Okmok
Seguam
Does that answer your question?
Most of the volcanoes listed in the list have erupted AFTER 1995.
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
[This message has been edited by First of Two (edited March 15, 2001).]
Also, the fact that volcanoes have been erupting for millions of years means that the earth's ecosystem has adapted to this, so that the earth has reached an equilibrium. However, the effects of human industrialisation lie outside this equilibrium system, so there could be a disturbance to the natural climate.
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"Philosophy is written in this grand book - I mean universe-which stands continuously
open to our gaze, but which cannot be understood unless one first learns to
comprehend the language in which it is written. It is written in the language
of mathematics, and its characters are triangles, circles and other geometric
figures, without which it is humanly impossible to understand a single word
of it; without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth."
Galileo (1623)
[This message has been edited by Gurgeh (edited March 15, 2001).]
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
[This message has been edited by First of Two (edited March 15, 2001).]
quote:
President George W. Bush abandoned a campaign pledge on Tuesday, telling Congress he would not seek to impose mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide at electrical power plants.
Really, Omega, its the first page of the thread.
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
It's not very likely that that promise helped him get elected, anyway.
At least he seems to be keeping to his marriage vows, as far as we know and unlike some other president we could mention. And he's holding pretty fast to the larger promises he's made, like the tax cut. On the whole, he's doing pretty well, promise-keeping-wise, compared to the last two guys (even his father) to hold the office.
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
quote:
Oooh, The Washington Post. I'm real impressed. They have a great history of telling the truth and being unbiased.
Much like your blessed NewsMax? As you yourself has written in the past, if its true...well.
Face it Double U doubled back on his promise. Dare I say, he lied? That might be a bit harsh, but he certainly isn't living up to his promise.
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
Still, the preponderance of the evidence continues to point in the direction of the current warming being simply part of a general trend.
Volcanic eruptions throw millions of cubic tons of CO2 and other greenhouse gases into the air. Every eruption generates more than humanity puts into the air in a year. Last year, some 23 volcanoes erupted. You do the math.
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
For the record, I used them as a basis for a thread exactly once, and I backed off once I had been corrected.
JK:
The opening means nothing. Remember, Post is a liberal paper. I want an exact quote showing that he DID, in fact, promise this. The article never describes him doing so. It merely claims that at some point he did.
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
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"Okashii na... namida ga nagareteru. Hitotsu mo kanashikunai no ni."
(That's funny... my tears are falling. And I'm not sad at all.) - Quatre Raberba Winner
quote:
The Earth has warmed and cooled many, many times over its history.
Warmed and cooled yes, but show me some point in time where it's jumped so much so fast. I suspect you would have to go back to just before the last ice age to come close.
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I DO NOT ENJOY BOTH GENDERS!!!
Ultra Magnus
quote:
By Amy Goldstein and Eric Pianin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 15, 2001; Page A01At midmorning on Tuesday, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Christine Todd Whitman arrived at the White House to tell President Bush about her recent meeting in Italy with European environmental ministers. While Whitman was in the Oval Office, however, the president broke an awkward piece of news.
Even though Whitman had spent the past month touting a proposal that would for the first time limit carbon dioxide emissions from power plants�a position Bush had embraced six months ago during his campaign�the president had decided to send a letter to four GOP senators, disclosing that he had changed his mind.
The seven-paragraph letter�dispatched that afternoon, barely two weeks after objections began to surface on Capitol Hill�came in response to a concerted pressure campaign from senior congressional Republicans and lobbyists from the coal and oil industries.
In a single meeting March 5, Bush decided he simply had been wrong to name carbon dioxide as a pollutant. Over the next days, the White House staff and agency representatives abandoned the notion of moving to restrict emissions of the substance.
The hasty retreat on a significant campaign pledge�hailed by environmentalists as a breakthrough when Bush made it�reflects the new administration's eagerness to avoid antagonizing a narrowly divided Congress, especially the Senate with its 50-50 split between Democrats and Republicans.
Indeed, the White House began to rethink its views on emissions in late February, as the president was preparing to outline his $1.6 trillion, 10-year tax cut proposal and spending priorities in a nationally televised address to Congress. At a time when Bush was trying to create momentum for the tax cut�his paramount legislative objective�Nicholas E. Calio, the White House legislative liaison, began to warn that the emissions proposal was causing trouble and might need to be rethought, administration sources said.
Last week, during two meetings that White House staff members convened with representatives from a half-dozen agencies to reconsider the administration's stance on carbon dioxide, few argued the issue on overtly political grounds, according to sources familiar with the deliberations. But aside from the EPA, the sources said, officials from each agency agreed with Vice President Cheney, the Office of Management and Budget, and White House economic adviser Lawrence B. Lindsey that the policy should be reversed. By Tuesday, Cheney personally delivered news of the change during a meeting with Republicans on Capitol Hill.
Yesterday, Bush explained his change of heart on substantive grounds. "I was responding to reality," he said during a visit to East Brunswick, N.J. "And reality is the nation has got a real problem when it comes to energy."
Echoing the reasoning in his two-page letter, the president said that limits on carbon dioxide emissions would further tilt reliance from coal to natural gas to generate electricity and drive up energy costs when energy supplies already are low in parts of the country. Asked what has changed since the campaign, Bush replied, "We're in an energy crisis now."
White House officials, meanwhile, sought to ward off any suggestion that Bush's reversal had undercut his EPA administrator, emphasizing that Whitman had been a faithful advocate of the position the president adopted as part of his campaign's energy policy.
That policy stated that, while promoting electricity and renewable energy, Bush would work to make the air cleaner. For the first time, he said in a speech in September, he would require all power plants to meet standards to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, as well as sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury.
Yesterday, Dan Bartlett, a campaign official who now is a senior White House communications adviser, said that position had been developed by "basically internal staff" who patterned the approach after the policy Bush adopted while governor of Texas. In Texas, however, carbon dioxide was not included.
Lynn Scarlett, president of the libertarian Reason Foundation in Los Angeles and an environmental adviser to the Bush campaign, recalled she had been "personally surprised" when Bush endorsed tough carbon emissions standards. She said his position seemed to conflict with his opposition to the terms of an international global warming agreement reached in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997. The United States has not ratified the accord.
But in general, the campaign position attracted little notice. "It did not raise a lot of objections at the time," Bartlett recalled.
Once Bush took office, however, Whitman began to speak out on the issue, alarming conservative GOP senators such as Chuck Hagel (Neb.), Larry E. Craig (Idaho), Jesse Helms (N.C.) and Pat Roberts (Kan.), who dispute the seriousness of global warming.
On the eve of Bush's maiden speech to Congress Feb. 27, Whitman declared on CNN's "Crossfire" program that the president "is very sensitive to the issue of global warming" and would fulfill his campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide emissions as well as other greenhouse gases that trap heat in the atmosphere and are widely believed to contribute to the Earth's rising temperature.
Calio's office began to get loud complaints from Capitol Hill.
The complaints were significant enough that Bush's domestic policy advisers raised them during a March 5 meeting with the president. Before that meeting ended, Bartlett recalled, Bush made the decision that he had erred in listing carbon dioxide as a pollutant, because it was not classified as one in the Clean Air Act�a conclusion that some environmentalists dispute.
The president assigned a small working group, led by John Bridgeland, the White House's deputy domestic policy adviser, to "take the pulse of the Cabinet" on the broader question of whether power plants should be required nevertheless to limit emissions of the substance.
Last Wednesday and Friday, Bridgeland and other members of the president and vice president's staff held hour-long meetings with what was dubbed a "carbon rump group," made up of representatives from the Commerce, Energy, Interior, State and Transportation departments, as well as the EPA.
By the end, Bartlett said, "there wasn't a show of hands. But the consensus was that a serious reevaluation was necessary on that position. That much was clear."
Over the weekend, a smaller group of White House staffers drafted the letter to the four GOP senators, who had asked the administration to clarify its views on global climate change. Some at last week's meetings had broached the idea of leaving open the possibility of regulating carbon emissions in the future. "That was not a consideration" while the letter was being drafted, Bartlett said.
By Monday evening, Bush received a copy. His staff planned to discuss it with him Tuesday afternoon. But by the time Whitman arrived at 10 a.m., the president already had made up his mind.
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
Not that his original position wasn't completely stupid, but, hey, everyone makes mistakes.
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
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"People have the right to discriminate based on religion."
-Omega, Jan 26
"There is no "seperation of church and state" in the Constitution"
-Omega, Jan 30
"A private business has the right to refuse service to any person or group, be they KKK, black, gay, or neo-nazi, regardless of reason."
-Omega, Feb 24
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You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Still, you can't argue that (in the UK at least), pollution has gone down a lot since the 50s. Ooh, the horror stories our parents would tell us about the dreaded London smog...
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You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Then you might run into an even more difficult situation. "I'm sorry, Mr. Smith. You've breathed out way too much CO2 today. I'm going to have to ask you to stop breathing, or face being fined."
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
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Oop, Jeff beat me to that one...
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
Verily I say unto you, volcanoes have erupted on Earth since before I was here.
That being said, this whole 'it's nature' thing is a pretty good red herring for the fact that 6 billion humans have come to inhabit this here earth...all together regardless of their many attempts to kill of various others...and those 6 billion human being spew tremendous amounts of material into the sky.
And come to think of it, most of the credible postulations point out that yes, Sally, global climate change is a natural occurrence, but that the rate of change of recent times isn't going at a natural speed. Odly enough, that seems to correspond to the time when most of those 6 billion people came to be alive at the same time on this great blue-green ball of ours.
Or Blue-brown skied ball of ours.
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
Look here. It may be a commentary, but it has facts that I've been looking for.
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects."
- Woodrow Wilson Smith
Neither you or your commentary deny that Double U said it during his campaign. And yet, here we have another one of those patented Blanket Statements.
Dumb.
Ass.
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
Bullshit, there isn't enough recorded information in the world to prove that.
This annoying chatter because Bush changed his mind is nothing more than whining sour grapes. Get over it.
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
Sad, aren't I?
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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
1. Yes, global warming is happening
2. It is not happening as fast as most people think.
3. It is inconclusive that humankind is having an effect.
4. Those who believe we are vs. Those who believe they aren't are split down the middle.
I gotta love it when the liberals get their panties in a bunch when Bush rightly changes his mind, but when Clinton lies, steals, and does some very illegal stuff, they look the other way.
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
Jay's just pointing out that Bush did break that promise. Ya'll are having a hard time accepting that.
As for the other thing you bring up:
Bill Clinton admits to smoking some weed, and he's a dangerous drug dealer to the Conservatives.
Bush doesn't admit - but certainly doesn't deny "youthful indiscretions", but, hey, it's a-okay, because he's not a liberal.
Clinton skips the Vietnam War and protests it, and he's villified by Conservatives.
Bush skips the Vietnam War by pulling on his family ties to get himself into the National Guard, but then doesn't even fulfill his obligation there.
Bush drunk and drove -- but that doesn't matter, because Bill Clinton got a blow job and lied about it!
At least Clinton got into school on his grades and not the "legacy" system. What, you thought Dubya got into Harvard because of his grades??
Please.
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
*smacks JK*
Simply at the behast of the other Jeff.
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"Omega is right."
-Jeff Karrde, March 18, 2001 08:47 PM
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"Instructed by history and reflection, Julian was persuaded that, if the diseases of the body may sometimes be cured by salutary violence, neither steel nor fire can eradicate the erroneous opinions of the mind."
-Edward Gibbons, The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire.
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
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"Goverment exists to serve, not to lead. We do not exist by its volition, it exists by ours. Bear that in mind when you insult your neighbors for refusing to bow before it." J. Richmond
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Not that it was a promise to begin with.
Exactly why no one should believe "campaign promises" in the first place. Another good one is, "gays in the military" and "read my lips: no new taxes."
::pulls out katana and slices Omega's head off::
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
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*slices katana in half*
Exactly why no one should believe "campaign promises" in the first place.
Again, it wasn't a campaign promise. Your point is invalid. "It wasn't a promise, and that's why we shouldn't believe promises?" Non sequitor.
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"Omega is right."
-Jeff Karrde, March 18, 2001 08:47 PM
So I'm off to bury my head in the sand.
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The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!
~ C. Montgomery Burns
Are there any numbers on the amount of CO2 produced by industrial faculties as compared to the numbers of naturally occuring CO2? Going from what I've seen, I'd like to see how little a dent any regulations would make in overall C02 production.
JK, Omega: Sure, JeffKardde may have said "Omega is right". However, in the same sentence, he also observed that "UM is right". With that in mind, take heed in the relevency of your sig.
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"Instructed by history and reflection, Julian was persuaded that, if the diseases of the body may sometimes be cured by salutary violence, neither steel nor fire can eradicate the erroneous opinions of the mind."
-Edward Gibbons, The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire.
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Although, I could simply have been stating his political affiliation.
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited March 18, 2001).]
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"Instructed by history and reflection, Julian was persuaded that, if the diseases of the body may sometimes be cured by salutary violence, neither steel nor fire can eradicate the erroneous opinions of the mind."
-Edward Gibbons, The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire.
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Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with <i>seven</i> eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
You might want to fix your signature. Your italics are not working.
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"Instructed by history and reflection, Julian was persuaded that, if the diseases of the body may sometimes be cured by salutary violence, neither steel nor fire can eradicate the erroneous opinions of the mind."
-Edward Gibbons, The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire.
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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with <i>seven</i> eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
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Don't kill me, I'm charming!
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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
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"Or maybe he was a real quack who got sick and tired of pissing people off, and decided to get a life and masterbate for the next 10 years."
- Me to Antagonist on Red Quacker, 03/08/01 20:15
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
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"Or maybe he was a real quack who got sick and tired of pissing people off, and decided to get a life and masterbate for the next 10 years."
- Me to Antagonist on Red Quacker, 03/08/01 20:15
Is this the end of the Kyoto pact?
Friday, March 30, 2001
The United States is saying the 1997 Kyoto protocol on greenhouse-gas emission reductions is dead. The Americans are almost certainly big enough to kill it, which would send the global environmental movement into limbo on this issue.
It's possible that Washington's declaration that it has "no interest" in implementing Kyoto is a bold negotiating ploy by the Bush administration, which is miffed at Europe's refusal to go along with U.S.-led proposals to ease the pain of emission reductions.
The United States is unhappy that industrialized countries are carrying the burden of emissions cuts while developing nations are exempt. It wants recognition of "carbon sinks," to give credit to countries that maintain carbon-dioxide-absorbing forests. It supports a controversial system of emissions-credit trading, under which those who have reduced emissions below their targets can sell their excess reductions to others who are still polluting above target levels.
The U.S. is hinting that the Kyoto plan could be replaced by something it finds more palatable, but it also appears willing to pursue its own reduction initiatives and leave the rest of the world to sort itself out.
If it does choose to fly solo, it would knock the teeth out of Kyoto. The United States generates roughly a quarter of the world's greenhouse gases. The Kyoto protocol could be ratified without the U.S., but the absence of American reductions would turn the entire exercise into little more than a noble gesture.
While Canadian officials are saying all the right things about their commitment to Kyoto, the reality is that many of our leaders must be quietly hoping the U.S. has dealt a fatal blow to the agreement.
Under the protocol, Canada must reduce its greenhouse-gas emissions to 94 per cent of 1990 levels by 2010. Our country's emission levels now run about 13 per cent over the 1990 benchmark. Without the U.S. at the Kyoto bargaining table, Canada will have a much tougher time garnering support for carbon sinks and emissions trading, two proposals that could give it a fighting chance of reaching its targets. Canada would also find itself negotiating costly environmental programs at a time when its nearest competitor won't be bound to follow suit.
If Kyoto dies, about 15 years of international climate-change negotiations will die with it. A new deal would likely set the process back years, and would at best result in an even weaker agreement than Kyoto, which has already been criticized for being too weak to make a dent in global warming.
From the environmentalists' point of view, Kyoto seemed the best bet yet, a concrete chance to make a difference on a global scale. But the will, at least in North America, just isn't there yet. The environmental movement will have to decide whether to forge on with the international fight, or refocus its efforts on smaller battles.
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"Or maybe he was a real quack who got sick and tired of pissing people off, and decided to get a life and masterbate for the next 10 years."
- Me to Antagonist on Red Quacker, 03/08/01 20:15