Oh for crying out loud! LOL I'm all for saving the endangered Chinese panda, but this is totally f**ked up! LOL I love the PETA commandos article.
Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :
You think that's messed, try this on for size: http://www.peta-online.org/alert/00/319.html Allow me to summarize, kid kicks dog, dog bites kid, father of kid kills dog, PETA urges people to write letter to thank the state attourney for persecuting the father of the child. I agree that drowning the dog is a cruel thing to do, but if it attacks a human once, it will inevitably do it again, and should have been killed anyways, but maybe by lethal injection or something less painfull. However, since it is his own dog that attacked his own kid, I feel that the decision should be left to him. If a dog bit your kid what would you do?
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
1. The Scout Law does NOT say what PETA says it does in its article about the fishing merit badge.
Not only that, but the Scouts are supposed to EAT the fish they catch... of course, PETA wants us all to subsist on tofu and bean sprouts.
2. I disagree with Infinity that the dog should have been killed or was a likely candidate to attack another human.
The dog was simply defending itself against an unwarranted, brutal attack (ever been kicked? it HURTS!) by the ONLY means it had available. The guy should have taught his kid not to kick animals.
Despite what the gun-grabbers tell you (PLEASE, It's NOT my intention to turn this into a gun thread, it's just the best comparison that came to mind!), people (or animals) that defend themselves ONCE do NOT suddenly become violent homicidal killers.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Infinity: By that reasoning, the kid attacked the dog, so he'll "inevitably do it again", and therefore the kid should be killed, too.
As for the fishing thing, if it's for food, shouldn't they have a cattle-slaughtering badge, or something, too? :-)
Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :
I think you need to consider that there is a big difference between human beings and animals. An animal has no higher reasoning capacity. Therefore if an animal attacks a human, that animal is a danger to society. Instead of putting it in jail, we put it to sleep, little difference in most of the world (and no difference in some american states )
Again I ask, if your dog bit your kid, would you not have it putten to sleep?
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
That depends. Was my kid kicking the dog. Or pulling it's tail. Or throwing stuff at it?
Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
Huh. This is why I am against the law banning ferrets from NYC. Dog bites can be much more dangerous than ferret bites, and yet they refuse to ban DOGS from New York. What sort of twisted logic does that wonderous mayor of the city support anyway?
Note: I am, however, a ferret owner, so, this may be biased.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
These Forums even have a ferret for a moderator. Seriously.
Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
Really?! Where?!
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
He's Basil, the DS9 Archived Forum. A ferret got a mod job over me. Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
Cool! Another victory for ferrets in animal rights! Ferret suffragists unite! VOTES FOR FERRETS!! *ahem* Sorry.
[ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: Daniel ]
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
If you try to contact the local PETA office in Alaska, you'll get the delightful people known as "People Eating Tasty Animals." Apparently, the acronym was taken before the PETA we know got in.
Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :
Pit bulls should be exterminated.
Ok, maybe not. But, they are a problem here in Baltimore -- stupid pit bull owners let their dogs run around free, then get all pissy when the city government kills their animals after they attack people (er -- after the pit bull attacks people, not after the city government attacks people).
There was an attack last night, actually -- two pit bulls against an old lady walking home with groceries. Thankfully, she wasn't injured too badly, and was out of the hospital by last night, but damn the city government for not passing an ordinance to ban pit bulls (they decided against passing this last week, BTW).
If people are going to own dangerous pets (including, but not limited to: lions, tigers, bears, pit bulls, other agressive dogs, grasshoppers, Fundamentalists, etc.), they really need to take a "common sense" course. You know: keep your pet CHAINED or behind a FENCE at all times! If caught loose on the street, your pet will recieve (absolutely free) a faceful of Baltimore PD issue shotgun pellets.
[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Jeff Kardde ]
Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :
Damned Fundamentalists!!! They keep biting the tires on my Chrysler!! Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :
Which is why everyone should own an anti-Fundie shotgun with pistol grip.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
How is a pit bull different than any other dog? If you really wanted to, you could train a toy poodle to bite everything that moves.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Thus paralyzing your foes with laughter.
Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :
Dogs are different. Some are much more aggressive then others, and pit bulls are highly aggressive.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
The pit bulls would be less of a problem if, instead of the dog, they took a couple of shots at the OWNERS.
Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :
The pit bulls aren't a real breed of dog, they were developed by people to be the ultimate dog for fights, in Europe and Asia people still make good money on dog fights.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
That has to be one of the most biologically inane things I've ever read.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Well, most breeds of dogs were developed for specific reasons.
The dachshund "weiner dog," for instance, fits great in an oversized hot dog bun.
No, not really. Actually, they were bred specifically for badger-hunting, as their low, long shape and itty legs make it easier to crawl into the hole after the badger, and their strong tails make it easier to reach in and haul them out if they get in trouble.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Thus, the name "Dachshund", which is literally German for "badger-dog". Seriously.
As for pit bulls, I can't see why you couldn't train one to be nice. As the dictionary definition of a pit bull is "a dog developed by crossbreeding the American Staffordshire terrier and another breed, as the bull terrier", I can't imagine they're "naturally" prone to attacking people at random...
Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :
They're trained to do so, their owners only buy them so they can have them fight, there is no other reason. Pit bulls could be trained to be nice, but no one does it, they call it a waste of good pit bull Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Most pitbulls that have attacked people have been systematically beaten, abused, tortured and made to attack lesser mammals for years, to work up the bloodthirst. Rabbits, kittens, they just throw them into a room with the dog and let it figure it out. Good for junkyards, but kind of inhuman.
A friend of mine from california had one for ten years, it never attacked or even growled at someone, he had raised it with love and care.
I realise there's a thousand ways to get around it, but maybe a pitbull license could be good, with kind of the same criteria as for a gun license.
[ June 07, 2001: Message edited by: Nimrod ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
But any dog could be trained like that. Any dog, especially large, strong ones, is potentially dangerous if the owner treats it that way. If you make a "pit bull license", people will just stop doing that stuff to pit bulls, and start doing to German shepherds, Doberman pinschers, Rottweilers, Dachshunds... Well, no, not Dachshunds... Just got on a bit of German dog roll there... But you get the idea...
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Actually, dachshunds CAN be pretty vicious, for itty-bitty critters.
But your right. Getting rid of the DOGS won't change much.
Get rid of the people who TREAT the dogs that way, though, and you'll be on to something.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, I'm sure Dachshunds can be vicious, yes. It could latch its teeth into your arm, or something, and hang there. But punch it in the face and it falls off. If a Rottweiler jumps on top of you and starts eating your face, you're going to have a much tougher time getting rid of it...
