quote:You can get in trouble urging caution. Ed Gernon, executive producer of Hitler and a nominee for buckets of awards for such TV specials as Joan of Arc, Nuremberg, and Life With Judy Garland: Me and My Shadows, said this was a good time to show his movie.
"When an entire country becomes afraid for their sovereignty, for their safety, they will embrace ideas and strategies and positions that they might not embrace otherwise," he said in TV Guide in April. Though nowhere near as dangerous as it was to speak out against the nationalistic trend in 1930s Germany, it was at least difficult to do it in the United States today, he said.
Proving his point, the Alliance-Atlantis production company immediately fired him from his long-held job as head of movies and miniseries.
I guess that the television executives have no sense of historical irony.
"Heil Bush" and all that Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Indeed. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
On a semi-related note: That guy so doesn't look like Hitler.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
While Robert Carlisle doesn't look like Hitler (is that really a Bad Thing?!?), he sure as heck has the mannerisms down to a "T". I was amazed at how he would flick his hair, gesture and walk not unlike how Hitler appears in the historical footage and propaganda films I've seen. I had a high regard for Carlisle before, but it has raised up a number of calibers after watching last nights performance! And it doesn't make Hitler into some kind of hero, which is what I was somewhat afraid they'd do. They make him out to be a simpering, whining bastard, IMO.
Can't wait to watch the second part of this Tuesday evening.
Posted by EvilTree (Member # 1027) on :
^I agree with your comment, except Carlisle needs to display more charisma that Hitler had, the ability to captivate the crowd.
If you see old footages of Hitler's speech, you just feel the charisma Hitler displays, even though you have no idea what he's saying.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: If you see old footages of Hitler's speech, you just feel the charisma Hitler displays, even though you have no idea what he's saying.
Unless you speak German, obviously.
On the subject of Heil Bush- his Grandad was one of the Nazi's bankers. See; it all fits together...
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Well, boy, that sounds lahk one o' them there Urban Legends again...
At the risk of being Godwinized, I did hear a speech recently which reminded both byself and Julie of a speech by the paperhanger, in that it rose dramatically in pitch, volume, and shrillness, much like his speeches tended to, until by the end the speaker was shouting, practically screeching. Except that this was a woman speaking.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: Well, boy, that sounds lahk one o' them there Urban Legends again...
'Fraid not. Prescott Bush was one of seven directors in the Union Banking Corporation, which was owned by Nazi industrialists. The government eventually seized the assets in 1951 and Grandaddy Bush recieved $1.5 million.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
And this female speaker, she wouldn't by any chanve have happened to be a Democrat, would she? More than likely, given I can't think of one female Republican noteworthy to have been heard of on this side of the pond. Oh, wait, except for that Florida voting supervisor who so came in useful back in 2000. . . 8)
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
So technically, yes its true. But it doesn't really mean all that much.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
...Because since when has there been any obligation for a nation to apply the same morals to its international business dealings (especially in the private sector) and its diplomatic-level politics and policies? And since when should there be?
As regards WWII, there were Nazi sympathies all the way up to the Royal Court in Britain before the war. Russia and Hitler's Germany remained in close military and industrial co-operation right until Barbarossa, and in some ways beyond, despite the open political animosity. Whatever Hitler was doing inside Germany's borders was truly an "internal matter" when it came to international trade.
I see no real change in attitudes today. Major powers continue to play a game of weapon embargos on regime A, arming of regime B, often independent of the official political position of the said powers regarding the said regimes. Take for example the US position of favoring trade with China, yet embargoing trade with Russia that could lead to technology transfer with China. "My enemy's enemy is either my enemy or my ally, depending on which brings more profit" remains as true today as it did in the 1930s.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: So technically, yes its true. But it doesn't really mean all that much.
I know; I was just stirring... Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: And this female speaker, she wouldn't by any chanve have happened to be a Democrat, would she? More than likely, given I can't think of one female Republican noteworthy to have been heard of on this side of the pond. Oh, wait, except for that Florida voting supervisor who so came in useful back in 2000. . . 8)
You will probably want to rephrase that, given that for you folks across the pond, who take deserved pride in knowing everything, it is absurd to suggest that you are unaware whom Condoleeza Rice is, to name a single one. Then there's Lynn Cheney, Elizabeth Dole, and of course, Laura Bush.
But you're right, the speech was by a Democrat, one who is doubtless more popular across the pond than she is here.
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