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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
I swear, I feel pretty pissed off right now.

[Mad] [Frown] [Mad]
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Would you rather Canada had no Olympic games? Vancouver only won by 3 votes and Toronto has no guarentee of winning in 2012.
 
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
Canada won? Huh.

It's not on the news or anything.
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
They would if Vancouver lost. The fiasco of Beijing's win is perhaps what swayed the IOC to vote Vancouver.

Now they have no guarantee whatsoever for 2012, and perhaps 2016 and 2020.

This is not the right time for pity. By the time Toronto finally has wins the right to host the Olympics, I'll probably be dying of natural causes.
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Saltah'na:
They would if Vancouver lost. The fiasco of Beijing's win is perhaps what swayed the IOC to vote Vancouver.

Um, OK, what guarentee would Toronto have if Vancouver lost?
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
The IOC voted Beijing after Beijing whined about losing the 2000 games to Sydney. And because they claim that they were emerging from the shadows of Communism (which they are definitely not). Toronto had a very strong bid, but for the IOC, it was already a done deal.

I agree, no guarantee. It would have given Toronto a stronger chance, but now, there is DEFINITELY a guarantee that Toronto will not be hosting for a long long time.

Too long for me. [Frown]
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Can't Toronto just complain and get 2016?
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
You've gotta be kidding. That close? Lessee now, Canada has now (or is now) hosted (or hosting) three separate Olympics. within the span of 35 years. To many, that's too short a span. As people are saying, other countries who have never hosted an Olympics will start complaining about getting their due (*coughcough* Communist China).
 
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
But 2012 is the last Olympics. The world ends at 5:03AM on December 21st, 2012. Man, is Toronto is gonna be pissed then.
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
I am NOT laughing.

There are a lot of people in Toronto who believe we have been robbed, not once (Atlanta), not twice (Beijing), but three times (This).
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Because we all know that hosting the Olympics is a surefire rocket ride to planetary success & movie-stardom....right, Sarajevo?

Hey! You guys could get the next World's Fair!
 
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
 
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!! Kiss our superior Vancouverite behind, Saltah'na, you Torontian crony! [Big Grin]

Weeeeee aaare the chaaampaign, myyyy frieeeends! [Big Grin]

*ducks the bullets*
 
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
Good point.
Why the hell would you actually *want* the Olympics anyways?
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
How exactly was Toronto screwed in 1996? What unfair advantage did Atlanta think up?

Besides, even if Vancouver lost, and Toronto entered for 2012, I'd bet good money New York City would get more votes (not sure if it'd win).

And besides, I don't know what you're complaining about with the gap, it's too soon and such. We only had to wait 4 years between Atlanta and Salt Lake City...

Who would want to do summer sports in Canada anyway? [Razz]
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
"Hey, Sanka man...what you smokin'?"
"I'm NOT, man. I'm BREATHIN'."
 
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
 
Hooray! An Olympic Games within driving distance! I can't wait. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
In the past 25 years....

Lake Placid, Los Angeles (both of which are the only places to EVER have the Olympics TWICE), Calgary, Atlanta, Salt Lake City, & now Vancouver. And probably New York now.

I find it interesting that while one of the purposes of the Olympics is to promote tourism & national pride & help to increase a city's status & prestige, not once have they ever been held in Africa. Hell, Australia only got them in 2000.

Really. When I hear about Kinshasa 2014, Dakar 2016, or Nairobi 2018, give me a call.

Oh, & one other thing. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to split it the fuck up into every 2 years instead of doing it all at once every 4 need to be dragged out & publicly assraped with a chainsaw.
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
It confounds me how the hell anyone can operate under the impression that they "deserve" an Olympic Games, especially a Summer Games. There are hundreds of potential hosts. Try your best, and if it's not enough, tough shit.

The fact of the matter is that Canada's odds for Winter Games will always be considerably better than Summer Games. And, still, it's a total crapshoot that comes to politics and that whole bit. You lose: dick all happens. You win: you break even moneywise (if you're lucky) and wind up with two weeks of international attention and a whole pile of leftover facilities of dubious use to the general population.

This is coming from a British Columbian firmly on the fence as far as Vancouver 2010 is concerned, incidentally.

I will make the perfectly honest observation, however, that Torontonians are the only people I know with a disturbing enough sense of municipal self-importance to get all catty about this. We won, you lost, now go back to thinking that everyone else in the country has a cottage in Muskoka and believes that this year will be the year for the Leafs.
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Shik:
In the past 25 years....

Lake Placid, Los Angeles (both of which are the only places to EVER have the Olympics TWICE), Calgary, Atlanta, Salt Lake City, & now Vancouver. And probably New York now.

Re: NYC. Rather unlikely.
And Athens, Paris, London, St. Morix and Innsbruck have also already each hosted two, with Athens getting its third next summer.

quote:

I find it interestign that while one of the purposes of the Olympics is to promote tourism & national pride & help to increase a city's status & prestige, not once have they ever been held in Africs. Hell, Australia only got them in 2000.

Melbourne in '56.

quote:

Oh, & one other thing. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to split it the fuck up into every 2 years instead of doing it all at once every 4 need to be dragged out & publicly assraped with a chainsaw.

Why, dare I ask? I'd get a little Olympiced-out if they were still two together and then three and a half years of nothing.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Ah. My information was incomplete & slightly out of date. By 20 years.

Why shouldn't they split them up? It's kind of like the presidential elections. I could ignore it all & bear the painful brunt all at once in one big glob of spumm & then breathe nicely for the next 4 years.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
People still watch the Olympics?

Regarding the awarding of it to different cities: is anyone really surprised by what they do anymore? I mean, they gave an Olympics to the Mormons. A winter one no less. Does it even snow in Utah?
 
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
As long as it has that ski/shoot game, I'm all for it. The Cold War needed to last longer, I feel. There were not enough stories told about Secret Siberian Soviet Snipers who train under the cover of that "whateverthehell" sport that is.

Rutger Hauer slated to star.
 
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
 
The value and number of the gifts that cities and local governments give the IOC is directly proporational to their propensity to award a city an olympic event. [Big Grin]

Only those with fat money clips need apply.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
The biathalon, UM.
 
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
"How exactly was Toronto screwed in 1996? What unfair advantage did Atlanta think up?"

As far as I remember, Atlanta had a team of their supporters meet up with the Toronto Opposers in creating a common front, in order to distract the IOC from Toronto. One of the issues that they highlighted in Toronto was homelessness, which, ironically, was more prevalent in Atlanta than Toronto.

"I will make the perfectly honest observation, however, that Torontonians are the only people I know with a disturbing enough sense of municipal self-importance to get all catty about this."

I'll give you that one. Our city has suffered in the last few years, some of it due to government mismanagement (I'm still considering being a garbageman). Tourism has slumped, we have no resources to maintain the city. SARS has made it worse. We're now a cesspool more than a great city to visit. Civic pride is important to many of us, and it runs deep. There are many people who want to restore Toronto to its former grandeur. The Olympics would help, but yes, sometimes it can be a crapshoot. Ironically, the provincial government thinks that the Olympics would do wonders for the city's economy, after all, they were the ones who gutted said economy in the first place.

Granted, the Olympics doesn't necessarily mean good things for the host city. Montreal's still paying for their '76 Olympics because of its financial mismanagement. Then there is Munich, where terrorists killed many Israeli athletes. My roots to this city run deep, and I would like to see this city continue to flourish.

But as they say, it's all downhill from here. Did you know that the provincial government is looking to privatize public transit?

"now go back to thinking that everyone else in the country has a cottage in Muskoka and believes that this year will be the year for the Leafs."

I don't own a cottage, neither do my parents, or the majority of Torontonians I know. As for the Leafs? I kinda gave up on them a while ago. GO JAYS!!!
 
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Unfortunately, the competitors in such an event are not "athaletes", and therefore the word is, in fact, "biathlon". Which is more of a dual-processor setup than a Communist conspiracy. But, continue keeping close tabs on your precious bodily fluids, if you so desire.
 
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
If we ever do see games in Africa, the most likely host will be: South Africa. Followed by North Africa, and by the time they get into selecting the other parts of Africa the year will be 2373 and we'll be under attack by the Borg, so no one will care.
But still, wouldn't the Mogadishu Olympics be something else?...
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
we would get toasted in marksmanship and the marathons
 
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Triton:
Hooray! An Olympic Games within driving distance! I can't wait. [Big Grin]

Get your parking space now. Don't wait. Otherwise you'll never get a good spot.
 
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Toronto's a nice city, I enjoyed my stay there for WYD 2002. And once again, I make the trek to Downsview Lands for the Rolling Stones concert. Hopefully it won't rain this time [Mad]
 
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
Olympics 2020: Moose Factory.

Also: Rolling Stones? Okay, there fifty-five year old.
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
G0 US! WE ARE TEH BEST EVAR!
 
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
What? Is there something wrong with being 18 and liking the Rolling Stones? And AC/DC? Better than the opener for the concert, Justin Timberlake. Pleh.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
quote:
Is there something wrong with being 18 and liking the Rolling Stones?
Aside from them being more out of date than the Julian calendar? It marks you as either an old person or an Orthodox priest.

Though, is this not the concert that also features the Flaming Lips? I cannot tell. It would be worth it to go for them.
 
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
 
Tsssk, Simon. You of all people should recognize that good music is timeless, even if it clashes with the snobbish views on taste and quality that YOU hold. 8)
 
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
Simon's snobbery? Hootie and the Blowfish.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"...good music is timeless..."

Perhaps. But they weren't exactly Mick Amadeus Jagger and Keithwig van Richtoven.
 
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
AS OLD
 
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
 
OK, so the Rolling Stones were not the Mozarts of modern music. Neither were the Beatles, Queen, Abba, Led Zeppelin, Guns 'n Roses, Metallica, The Doors, the Sex Pistols, Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd, the Supremes, Genesis, The Police, The Eagles, Simon 'n Garfunkel, Aerosmith, or AC/DC. And by the same token Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Elton John, Elvis Presley, John Miles, Billy Joel, and Michael Jackson weren't incarnations of Beethoven either. But the point is: do people define art or does art define people? If enough people like shit, does that raise its intrinsic worth? Because no form of expression in and of itself has any.

I think I lost it somewhere.

[ July 05, 2003, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: Cartmaniac ]
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Sometimes jokes about old people revolve solely around the fact that they are old. I like many old things myself; for instance, oxygen.
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cartmaniac:
Abba

ABBA?! You put ABBA in that fine list? You're mad man, MAD! [Eek!]
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"Neither were the Beatles, Queen, Abba, Led Zeppelin, Guns 'n Roses, Metallica, The Doors, the Sex Pistols, Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd, the Supremes, Genesis, The Police, The Eagles, Simon 'n Garfunkel, Aerosmith, or AC/DC. And by the same token Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Elton John, Elvis Presley, John Miles, Billy Joel, and Michael Jackson weren't incarnations of Beethoven either."

Often true, true, true, false, true, true, false, true, true, false, true, true, true, true, often false, true, and true. False, false, true, true, I don't know, true, and true.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I'll bet Tim would get along well with a friend of mine who is convinced that The Wall is the greatest film of the 20th century. I smile and nod. Because, prog rock? Whatever you say, buddy. Let us enjoy a blunt and listen to King Missile while looking at a tie dye poster.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
If you'd said "album", I'd say he wasn't far off. But there are better films.
 


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