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I just read at trektoday.com that Shatner says that Paramount denied him any 'special footage' stuff on TFF DVD. THIS is a big fucking shame. Are Paramount continually stupid!?!
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My impression is that none of the Trek DVDs released to date have been bursting with extras. The sad truth is, they're doing this now, knowing full well that a coupla years down the line, when all have been released, they'll bring out special editions and make the built-in audience they depend so much on pay for it all over again.
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Er, but we're talking about the special editions.
And Star Trek V plus new effects equals a terrible movie with glossy new effects. Star Trek V plus extra scenes equals a terrible movie that is now longer. The entire film suffers from deep structural flaws, and everyone knows it. You'd have to essentially film a completely different movie. It would be like a "director's cut" of Alien 3 in which Fincher decided to use the Gibson script.
What I'd like to see from the DVD is a detailed and honest post-mortem, and while I expect we'll see a few glimpses of such throughout the extras and commentary tracks, there won't be much of it.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Er, but we're talking about the special editions.
And Star Trek V plus new effects equals a terrible movie with glossy new effects. Star Trek V plus extra scenes equals a terrible movie that is now longer. The entire film suffers from deep structural flaws, and everyone knows it. You'd have to essentially film a completely different movie. It would be like a "director's cut" of Alien 3 in which Fincher decided to use the Gibson script.
What I'd like to see from the DVD is a detailed and honest post-mortem, and while I expect we'll see a few glimpses of such throughout the extras and commentary tracks, there won't be much of it.
I disagree. TFF is a very good Trek film that suffered from a low budget and some questionable production design decisions. And while I wouldn't say Shatner did a GREAT job directing, I have few real complaints with the directing of this film.
The story could have stood some improvements, ie with the whole God-at-the-center-of-the-glaxy thing, and the related special effects could have been much better had the money been there, but the whole plot about Spock and Sybok was very deep and there was a lot of good characterization throughout the film. It contains some of the finest moments between Spock, Kirk, and McCoy that have been seen in filmed Trek.
The self-contained nature of the storyline was also a nice change of direction from the trilogy of TWOK, TSFS, and TVH. (Not that I have any problem with interconnected storylines, I enjoy them as well.)
This film has gotten a really bad rap that has been PARTIALLY deserved, but not to the extent that people purport these days. TUC had far more problems with its story and characterization than this movie.
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quote:Er, but we're talking about the special editions.
Ohh, why didn't you say so before? Because if Paramount tells you this release is a special edition, then you can trust them because they have our interests at heart - it'll be the specialest edition they'll ever release, and will never be beaten or replaced by another. Definitely not. Perish the thought.
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Are you saying, then that there will be a Special edition of the Special director's cut of The Motion Picture?
TFF was 'unrealised' in it's full form - just like TMP.
TFF does have it's floors. It's a good movie up until they meet 'god'. Before that it's not a BAD movie... I mean the McCoy and his father thing was quite a poinient moment.
Anyway, despite it being the worst of the TOS movies - it has the BEST soundtrack. Isn't that funny!?! The soundtrack is truely amazing. Love it, love it, love it.
Many of it's elements were reused in FC - which many people love (the soundtrack that is) - the first came in TFF.
Andrew
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TFF is not the worst Trek movie. TMP is. TFF is bad, but it's entertaining bad. TMP is just too dull to watch.
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TFF does have it's floors.
Yes. Over 70 of them! When it should have only 26! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(Or something like that anyway. I am not going to dig out the Encylopedia just to make this joke make sense, so fuck the lot of you! Now!)
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Perhaps I was hit with the anti-sarcasm bat, Lee, but what are you talking about? Special Edition is just a name they plaster on the side, there isn't any international treaty to define it. Ok, sure. Duh. Obviously. How does that change the fact that said reissues of films 1-3 so far have had all kinds of stuff shoved on them, regardless of quality (not that I'm saying the discs don't have quality material on them, I'm simply avoiding the issue of quality all together for the moment)?
Also, it is certainly possible to think that Star Trek V is a good film in bad film's clothing, but such an opinion is so drastically alien to my own that I'm not sure we can get anywhere discussing it. As I see it, the very centerpiece of the film is handled foolishly, and may even be foolish in and of itself. I don't see anyway to fix it, aside from making a completely different movie.
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The movie would have been 50% better if the scene with Scotty knocking himself out were omitted. Holy fuck, that's a stupid scene. Naked Uhura was just disturbing....anybody would have just shot her.
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