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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gaseous Anomaly: [QB] Exactly. Their solar sailers (sailer - see below) probably got caught in the tachyon eddies in the Denorious Belt quite by accident, and we've only ever [i]heard[/i] of the ONE ship making it to Cardassia. Now, I'm not saying that there was only one (ancient) ship that went to warp-like speeds, but doesn't it seem odd that the only two solar sailers that we know off (Sisko's and the original that the Les Cardassiables found) ended up in the same place? My point is that I feel that Na Cardassacanach (arrogant s.o.b.s that they are) would have made [i]other[/i] crashes known to Sisko - I mean, if there were other crash landings, Da Cardeez would know of them (planetary scanning capabilities and all). After all, they really had no need to inform Sisko of the Bajorans' feat at the end of [i]'Explorers'[/i]. If they were willing to admit to one landing, then a few more would hardly have mattered. FINALLY (on this point, at least [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif[/IMG]), the Bajorans would have no real way to get back to Bajor, presuming that they survived the initial crash. Therefore, their leaders would have had no way to know about the effect of the tachyon eddies on the sailers (they'd asssume the crew got lost in space) and would be in no position to exploit the eddies. Therefore, the Bajorans did not come into contact with warp drive (as we know it) until the Cardassians invaded, sometime around 2300(?). [i]SO...[/i]who does that leave in the Order Of Relativistic Velocity? Vulcans Klingons + Breen Earth Romulans Cardassians Ferengi Bajorans Reasons: [list] [*]The Breen were able to wipe out a Klingon battle fleet yonks ago - never specified whether or not it was thier ground forces which got hammered or their fleet was routed en route, but my money's on the latter. Therefore, I believe that the Breen had warp capability at the same time as the Klingons. As to which came first, well... [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] [*]Much has been made of the Romulans leaving Vulcan, and whether or not they did so with warp drive or without. It's all been said, but *I* think that they did so without it, heading off to Romulus on sleeper or generation ships. After all, the Vulcans have MARA drives, like Cochrane's. The Romulans' confined quantum singularity seems to work just fine for them. Thus the two technologies were developed quite seperately from each other - the Vulcans never had singularity propulsion, as seen from the fact that they don't have it now, whereas the Romulans never had MARA, but invented the singularity idea on thier own. If there was any flaw in it's design, surely we would have seen new ships emerging from beyond the Neutral Zone by now *drools at the prospect of new Romulan ships* *ahem* And as we all know, the Romulans didn't have warp capabilities until after [i]'Balance of Terror'[/i], after which they acquired it off the Klingons. [*]Now the Cardassians. They're a bit of an enigma. I think that they would have developed warp near the end of the Hebitians reign - a civilization that enlightened would certainly look into the possibilities of FTL technologies. Problem is, their push towards warp ate away at their planet's resources. They then had to focus their attention towards exploiting other systems (their own presumably being raped for minerals already) and turned towards local unoccupied systems. However, desperation (plus the rise of a militanttt elementt into governmentttt) meantt that they soon looked in the direction of the sparsely-industrialized, non-warp Bajorans, knowing that a pre-warp civilization would offer little by way of fleet-whacking power. Little did they realize the resilience and determination the Bajoran people were prepared show in order to free their homeworld. Their decades of effort and sacrifice were rewarded, but before the Cardassians withdrew (ending what had become known as "The Occupation"), the Bajorans acquired warp power off the Cardassians before they left. Sensing the Bajorans readiness to use this technology to conduct more off-world raids (like the one mentioned in [i]'Shakar'[/i] - the only one), and knowing that a terrorist attack on Cardassia Prime would evaporate support for the military, coupled with the fact that Bajor was practically ruined anyway, the Cardassians withdrew. I surmise, therefore, that the Balorans have not had warp for more than ten years. [*]The Ferengi purchased the tech off the Breen - now that can't have been too long ago, seeing as First Contact between them and the Fed occured 15 or so years ago. [/list] I think that the only real mystery is when the Klingons developed warp. Did they beat it out of the Hur'q? Unlikely, seeing as they seem to have "left" Qu'on'os in much the same way sa the Cardassians laft bajor i.e. because it suited them, they'd had their fun. Did they steal it off the Vulcans? Hardly, they'd have to get to either Vulcan or a ship of theirs first. And I can't see the Vulcans revealing themselves to the warlike knob-ends that the Klingons are (and, most likely, were). Did they buy it off someone? Fine. Who? Did the entire space-folding mechanism of subspace fields [i]and[/i] general relativity come to a priest on Borath or Qu'on'os in a hazy vision? It's where my money is! [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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