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[QUOTE]Originally posted by bX: [QB] It's part of the transcendent journey, physically within V'Ger's vast consciousness. The visuals are intended to stimulate you to some higher order of thinking, of being. Except that everyone had already seen the end of [i]2001[/i] and frankly thought even that might have been a tad too much (but we all cut Stanley a break because he's British and clever.) Plus everything was so rushed in making the VFX, Bob Wise hadn't had time to pare down all that footage. [QUOTE]Originally posted by MMoM: [qb]However, [TWOK] suffers greatly from being formulaic and inelegant as a motion picture. It's a typical Hollywood flick with its chase-'em-down, shoot-'em-up, good-guys-versus-bad-guys scenarios, and appeals ONLY to the audience's emotions and NOT its intellect.[/qb][/QUOTE]This is precisely my problem with the tack you are taking in your posts. What goes unstated by you here is that's in your estimation. If you don't personally like it, I can't really argue with that. When you say TWOK is a typical Hollywood flick, I can only assume you are placing it in the same bracket as, say, [i]Eraser[/i] or maybe [i]Die Hard: 2[/i], and if that is what you are in fact saying, you are wrong. When you say it appeals "ONLY" to the audience's emotions and not its intellect, well frankly that's really condescending. Certainly I think it's fair to say that TMP is more cerebral than TWOK (and vice-versa for emotionality), but that's a long way from saying it's without intellectual merit. That's just insulting. Did you even read anything I wrote? The grand themes of death, loyalty, sacrifice...? That awkward imagery with the honing and the sharpening and the eroding? But it's when you start calling it formulaic and inelegent, where I really take issue. Khan-Kirk, David-Joachim, veterans-recruits, paradise-Hell, "How we face death is at least as important as how we face life", creation-destruction, self-absorbtion-self-sacrifice,"The best of times...the worst of times"-- these axes, these words, they aren't in there by accident, they didn't come off some roll of stickers. They are intricately woven into a visually stunning action-adventure story with a huge emotional charge. Pacing alone sets it apart from the pack. This film is amazing, and there's a reason it is my favorite of all time ever. I defy you to point out a "typical Hollywood flick" that could hold a candle or the shoot-'em-up it's patterned after. Here is the thing. I do respect the film-making in TMP. I don't think it's just a seventies farce and point out McCoy's silly beltbuckles or beard. I like it, on a lot of levels. The tensions between Decker and Kirk is great. The exploration of Spock's character is epic and brilliant. The problems I have with it have to do with structure and characters, with performances. Maybe even with it biting off a bit more than it could chew thematically. But these are only my opinions. And, as has been grotesquely demonstrated above, I'm a bit mad about these things. Which is to say, I don't think you're silly for preferring this film. I think you're silly for so blithely writing off Khan. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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