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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QB] Obviously, [i]everything[/i] we're saying here is our opinions. I never claimed to be tapping into some great ethereal radio broadcast of indisputable universal truth. This is what I think. Perhaps things *have* gotten a tad too polarized in this thread. Really though, there are two types of [i]Trek[/i] fans: those who think TMP is the best [i]Trek[/i] film and those who think TWOK is. This schism, of course, runs deeper and farther back to those who think "The Cage" was a better [i]Trek[/i] pilot than "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and those who take an opposing view. I suspect it's really about plot-driven versus character-driven aesthetics. In the former, the chracters only exist to move the story along and reveal aspects of its themes; in the latter, the plot is constructed as a vehicle for the characters. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon: [qb] Of course, the fact that the VFX guys didn't realy know what they were supposed to be building up to because the ending hadn't been written might be a contributing factor.[/qb][/QUOTE]This is not really accurate, as the basic framework of the story was laid out as early as the original script (entitled "In Thy Image," intended for the pilot of the scrapped [i]Phase II[/i] television series) that the film was built on, though revisions did occur throughout the production stages. [QUOTE]Originally posted by bX: [qb] When you say TWOK is a typical Hollywood flick, I can only assume you are placing it in the same bracket as, say, [i]Eraser[/i] or maybe [i]Die Hard: 2[/i], and if that is what you are in fact saying, you are wrong.[/QUOTE][/qb]Oh, I certainly wouldn't go [i]that[/i] far. To me, those are not "typical" Hollywood films, but rather "especially bad" ones. ;) I must admit that I've been thinking in somewhat reactionary terms since this discussion began. Perhaps its fruitfulness as a critical discussion is waning. Nobody is [i]wrong[/i] in prefering whatever they choose to, and I did not intend to imply so. -[b]MMoM[/b] :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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