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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

You'll all have heard of Ron Moore leaving Voyager by now. Here's some more information that I've found.

This was posted on Ain't it Cool News, by a guy with an aquaintence at Paramount. You can take this as true or not, but it is something to consider:

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My acquaintance compares the scenario to Richard III, "with Brannon as the master manipulator." Apparently, Braga held a staff meeting before Moore came aboard, in which he basically threatened that anyone who'd side with Moore against him would be fired. From there, he began holding secret meetings at his house to which Moore wasn't invited. And then, of course, the flap over "Survival Instinct."
Moore went to Berman to complain about how he was being treated; Berman refused to support him; and Moore jumped ship. Moore had been promised that he would be able to help create the new Trek series. As it turns out, this was a false promise: the series would be Berman and Braga's baby alone. When he learned this, he quit.

The entire article can be found here

And here's a farewell to Ron Moore written by a former paramount colleague.

In fact, this whole feature is one that everyone should probably read, to here people defending Braga, and laying into him with blunt razors.

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

We'll miss him.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Berman is Satan, and Braga is his minion.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

::Rallies lynch mod to storm Paramount's gates and head for Berman's and Braga's offices::

If what I read is true, then that pretty damn mean. I mean Braga threating to fire people if they sided against him?? What is with that guy?

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

I think it's time for the "changing of the guard" over at the Star Trek franchise...

I nominate Ron Moore BTW...

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I hadn't read the Trek Nation post, when I posted to this the first time. My first post has been my opinion for some time now. I read the post this morning.
We had an earlier topic asking if Voyager should have seven seasons, six seasons, or kill it now. After reading the posts in the above links, I have changed my mind. KILL IT NOW!!!!!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Based on a few rumors? Look, Braga isn't a popular guy. A lot of Hollywood types think he's pretty damned odd, in fact. How much of that is true, I can't say. But I can say that he's been responsible for a fine season of Voyager. That's the only thing I know for sure.

Now, having said that, this news wouldn't surprise me, especially once you take into account the rumors that surrounded Jennifer Lien's departure.

But what about the other side of the story? If Braga and Moore were at such odds, why have they rather consistantly worked together as a writing team, both in and out of Star Trek. Surely Moore would have been aware of Braga's tendancies during their tenure on TNG. Even if he wasn't, by the time they wrote First Contact together, wouldn't some warning bells have gone off? And yet they still stayed together to pitch a script for Mission Impossible 2. (And Area 51? Or was that just a Moore script?) So while I don't discount the idea of Braga acting in such a manner, I have a hard time believing that Moore didn't know what he was getting into.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Berman was much better for Trek than Roddenberry was, actually...

And Braga's odd, but he knows quality, that's true. Continuity is still foreign to him, but that's his only real problem.

I find it hard to believe that Berman and Braga wold do that, but...

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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :

I wonder what Gene Roddenberry would think of this if he was alive?

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

He would say: Jeepers Cripes, it's just a TV-Show!!!
(Ducks for cover, giggling)

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Nimrods right, and I don't think Bermans better for trek then The Rod. Warts and all, Rodenberry did better series. TNG and TOS I can watch over and over again, can't say the same for DS9, although it has some great eps. Voyager, well, I've watched two repeats this season.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

But which seasons of TNG's the question, Kosh. Seasons Three through Seven were all Bermanised.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I don't think he dared change the feel of the show, till The Rod died. And I liked early TNG.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

But then, how much of TNG can you attribute to Roddenbury anyway. He thought that Stewart was absolutly wrong for the part of Picard. Livingstone had to persuade him.
And I think Berman might have pretty much been running it from season 2. If you say that Berman didn't alter the show too much, *ahem* have you looked at season 1 recently?

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

As I said above, I liked early TNG.

I've aways heard it that The Rod picked Patrick.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

No. I think it was in that TNG Tribute black book talking about Roddenberry needing to be heavily convinced about Patrick Stewart as the captain.

Hobbes
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

I personally like the later seasons of TNG better then the early ones. DS9 is my favourite series by far. Voyager has never impressed me very much and is the worst of all the series. That's my opinion, anyway.

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

Well, we're sad to see Ron go, yes, but are we really all *that* surprised at Braga's reaction? Look at it. It's not today's news that Trek fans have dwindled in number with Voyager. And who likes Brannon Braga? Don't think I need to answer that one. He had been under enough pressure from Trek fans, who constantly compare his pet Voyager to DS9 and Ron Moore. Now that DS9 is over, Ron Moore casually struts over and is promptly hailed as Voyager's new hope. So what does that make Braga?

Let me give you an analogy (the following situation is purely fictional): Charles Capps owns these forums, pays for them, and constantly tries to improve them for the benefit of us, the users. But one thing he hates is that his forums are always compared to Trekweb's board (which is no comparison in actuality, but suspend your disbelief for a moment ), and Trekweb's admin is hailed as one of the best Trek webmaster ever for his site. One day Trekweb shut down because...uh...it was hacked into and deleted during an annual hacker's convention, so its admin is out of a job, right? Not exactly. Because of popular demand, the admin transfers to Flare, which is no Trekweb but the next best thing. Now all the users at Flare are happily expecting a revamp of these forums: new graphics, new interface, and the extinction of spam and such annoyances. Promises of a better forum, basically, that *Charles* couldn't have done. Now how would that make Charles feel?

Okay, I think I went too far and too long with this analogy. But the point is, it's a ego/territorial thing. Braga worked on Voyager for 5+ years, and here comes someone who's expected to do a better job than he did. Of course he's bound to get jealous and upset. How far this jealousy gets, however, is anyone's guess.

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

One more thing...

Dax: seen Voyager lately?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I'm just happy someone in the Voyager staff took the big step and made the voyager crew confess to the existence of lavatories!

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

But Moore's been in the business longer than Braga, so you'd think Braga might understand... Oh well.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

It's a power thing.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Yes, Braga got promotion whiplash.

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

Ziyal: I've seen every episode of Voyager up to and including 'Dark Frontier'. I buy the videos. DS9 is far superior.

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Posted by Dan (Member # 129) on :

I wish I could say I'm forced to agree with Dax, but there's really no resistance in the decision. While Voyager does have a great episode or two, there's always a couple decent episodes and pathetically bad ones like The Disease, The Fight, or Threshold. There's an article up at Myrkr right now by Cleveland G. Oakes that some of you may know from the Trek Usenet groups about the state of Star Trek. It is very well written and I do agree with his assessment (except on some level I did like Insurrection, but it could have easily been a TV movie or episode). Here's the article:

http://www.myrkr.com/StarTrek/opinions/loveofkirk.html

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

"The Disease" isn't all that bad.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I seem to have written the only positive review of "The Disease" in existance...

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

My review bashes it a lot, like all others except Sol's, but I've come to like it, actually.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Mr. Oakes is dead on the money. Money being the key. The Rod always wanted to make a lot of money, but he also wanted to make good TV. Now we are down to pure money.

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