What officer do you think should have a command of his/her own by now?
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Posted by Saboc on :
Sorry..the topic's name doesn't make such sense. I once again forgot to proof-read. (A character flaw...
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
ME!
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Posted by Saboc on :
hahaha you're funny. How does a transport ship sound ?
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Monty would only transport foxes!!
LaForge. He had one in the "Timeless" timeline, but who knows in the current timeline. Maybe the fifth series could be about Geordi commanding a galaxy class, and trying to grow a beard!!
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Posted by Sir Camelot on :
I love the idea of having a Capt. LaForge and the adventures of his crew. But before that I would much rather see a real movie/adventure/ etc of Capt. Sulu
Posted by Saboc on :
A series about Sulu and his ship? Hmmmm...sounds good but I don't know if people are ready for that. "Captain LaForge" sounds great but I'd rather see a whole new group of people. I"m just sick of TNG cast, especially Riker's inflated ego. Grrr...I hate Riker...
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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
I think worf should. Not necessarily a federation ship but something.
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Posted by Chimaera on :
Worf would make an excellent captain, but unfortunately I doubt Starfleet would give him anything more than temporary command of a ship after that episode (can't remember its name off hand) where him and Jadzia are on a mission to rescue a Cardassian informant, and he decides to take her back after she's injured, leaving the informant to die. Sisko does say something like he'll probably never get his own command because of it. Well, that and he's now Federation ambassador to the Klingon Empire
I think Riker and Data are both long overdue for their own ships. Riker has actually turned down a command to remain onboard the Enterprise, and Data has shown he has good command capabilities.
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Posted by Saboc on :
Yup, Data deserves a command of his own. Did you see how well he commanded the Sutherland? As for Riker, hmmm...I don't think so. I mean he turned down 4 offers before, I doubt if anyone at Star Fleet Command bothers to give him another offer. And besides, his I'm-the-best-officer ego will cause a warp core breach the moment he steps on board.
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Posted by Lt. Tom on :
Saboc: I think plenty of people are ready for an adventure with Sulu and the Excelsior, and they'd have to do it relatively soon if they were to do it at all. (George Takei is human, y'know.) Personally, I don't think we'll see that specific scenario. Done right, though, a series set in that time period would be great.
I hate to be unoriginal, but I'm going to say LaForge or Data. As far as I'm concerned, Riker can take a long walk out a short airlock.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I hate Riker, too. He must be one of the dullest characters in Trek history.
I agree that Data and LaForge would make good Captains.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I must be the only guy on the planet that likes Riker! I mean his character has been a little underdeveloped, yes. But he's a nice enough guy, he gets alot of chicks, and he doesn't take any S*&T from Ferengi or anybody else.
I think he'd make a cool captain (as long as you get in on his good side).
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I like Riker too. I don't know where this Forum's standard phrase "Riker is an idiot", comes from.
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He's just a very 2 dimensional character. Sort of like Kirk but even less interesting.
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Posted by Saboc on :
I personally think that Riker would make a bad captain. He rejected four offers. That shows that he cares little about the rank of captain. How can you expect a person to be good at something when he obviously does not care about it??
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Posted by Saboc on :
I think that LaForge and Data would make better captains than Riker. I mean they're smart; they know they're smart but they don't stuff that down everyone's throat. I just hate arrogant people. Further more, any officer who rejected four offers in a row must be more stupid than an idiot. Do you think he has DD? (Developmental Disorders)
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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
Frank: I know 90 % of the continuity screw ups in TNG come from Riker's dialog, but O'Briens rank? Did Riker give him the LTJG rank pips? The concept of having an enlisted character had not even occured to TPTB during the early days of TNG, O'Brien was supposed to be an officer. As far as why he now seems to be a (S)CPO, and has "always" been one..well I think Temporal Investigations is looking into it.
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Everyone always called him "Chief," except for one time Riker said "Lieutenant," IIRC.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Did he, like, run over your dog or something?
I think Worf could be good. 'Course, he would have to have one helluva first officer to talk to now and then because he bottles up his frustration so much. And of course klingons are not famous for their good judgement during peace-time. But hey, this isn't just any klingon!
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
That wasn't meant for you, Garak.
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Obi Juan: Yes, but internal to the Trek universe, O'Brien has always been enlisted, so Riker still made an error.
In Riker's defence, weren't the commands he was offered relatively minor ones? Small, run of the mill starships doing routine and quite forgetable tasks. Granted, command of a starship, any starship, is a prestigious position, and no doubt a path to promotion to even better commands, but I think it is at least a little understandable why he would turn one down to remain on the Federation flagship.
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Posted by Saboc on :
Chimaera, I think the first time he rejected an offer was, maybe a good reason - the ship was too small...but not the second, the third, and then fourth. I think he's just not ready. No matter many books and offical things talk about how good he is, I think he is just an ordinary and old officer who afraids of having a ship of his own....
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Posted by Sir Camelot on :
ok Forget Riker, how about his alter-ego Thomas Riker, he kick some Cardy butt with the Deifant, and he got the girls.
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Will Riker did a fine job in the big chair in BOBW.
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Posted by Striker on :
Why is it that some of you think Riker wouldn't make a good captain? Just because he's turned down 4 commands? You have to look at why he turned them down. I believe it was to show just how much like a family things are in the Enterprise. I mean, Picard is probably like a father to him and I'm sure he admires him. He's proven himself a worthy commmander when he has to. And there's nothing wrong with not wanting things to change. It doesn't mean he would do a bad job as a Captain, or that he's not ready. I personally don't like him that much, but when you say he wouldn't make a capatin just because he's turned down 4 commands, I don't by that at all.
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Posted by Saboc on :
Riker may or may not be a good captain is very hard to say right now. But I can say one thing. Let assume that he IS a good captain. And because he was selfish enough rejecting the offers just to stay on board the Enterprise, the Federation was one good captain short during the war. I honestly don't see how hiding behind Picard's shadow for that long can help him any shape or form. As a psychology-major, I think his rejections of the four offers tell a lot about his character/personality. He keeps on using the excuse of "the Enterprise is his family and Picard is his role model and that the flagship is better than others" He just can't seem to move on. This perhaps is a symptom of Dependant Personality Disorder. What do you guys think? Am I being so hard on him?
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Posted by Chimaera on :
Now that I think about it, didn't Riker have this kind of conversation with Troi one episode where he turned down a command? I don't recall the conversation exactly, but it started out with Riker talking about how ambitious he had been earlier in his career, and how he had been looking forward to his own command, but now he wasn't nearly as ambitious (or something like that). If someone here can more accurately recall that conversation, I'm sure it would shed some more light on the topic.
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Posted by Saboc on :
In that episode, Riker told Troi that he was "too comfortable on board the Enteprise or something like that..." This supports my initial hypothesis, he does not like to change, he does not have the ability to adapt to new environments. He definately has some psychological issues regarding his personality and his emotions...
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
Ach, riker wants the enterprise. He'd do almost anything to get it, except for displacing Picard. He's happy in his job, knows any promotion would send him to an inferior ship, and perhaps some still view the "pegasus" incident as a black mark that would stop him getting the Enterprise or another like it in future.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Well, for all you non-canon-only-ites, Riker commanded the Excalibur in "Double or Nothing", and did a good job, too. Shelby was his first officer.
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