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Posted by warbird5 on :

I was wonder also what the population of the Federation and the other Alpha Quadrant species. I'm estimating the population of the Federation is somewhere between 5 and 10 trillion people

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Let's assume that the pop of the Sol system is about 10 to 20 billion (assuming the carrying capacity of Earth is increased and some of the outer planets, moons and asteroids have settlements). Also, let's assume that the membership of the Federation is 150 and that each member has a similar population. That would give a total pop for members of 1.5 to 3 trillion. Does your estimate include member worlds only or does it also include all worlds within the Fed "Sphere of Influence"?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I came up with a similar number. The larger figure comes from, I think, certain references on DS9 to 900 million expected casualties from the Dominion War, but I think that was a sum total, and not just those of the UFP. At any rate, it was based on the projections of Jack and company, and is by no means an official figure.

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Posted by grb on :

Actually, the Federation casualty estimate from "Statistical Probablities" was nine-hundred BILLION.

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Posted by warbird5 on :

yeah it was 900 billion not 900 million. If you had 900 billion people die out of 10 trillion, that's 9% of the population. That's a large percentage but i think the genetically modified humans estimated it would've been a a long war like 10-20 yrs instead of 2. I think the 900 billion casualty figure was just the Federation

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I meant to say billion, actually.

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Posted by Daystrom on :

Howdy,

I think the 10 billion number for the Sol system would be closer.
Earth
Moon
Mars(perhaps Phobos but I dont see it)
Io
Ganymede
Titan

5 or 6 billion for earth(more or less)
1 billion per colony, I think this number a bit high but almost acceptable for the sake of arguement.

Like I said, almost.

So lets adjust that to 10 billion.
But each system should be different.
Some federation planets dont seem to have been interested in colonizing other planets of their system or others have species of different levels of technology, some not warp capable.

But the overall number of 1.5 trillion(more or less) seems the most plausable to me.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Io? Who in their right mind would want to live on Io?!

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Posted by grb on :

Supposedly, with current techjnology, the Earth has the capacity to hold 12 billion people. But that's only without up and coming technologies, just as genetically engineered crops, which would alow us to grow more food with a sammerl amount of land than curent trechnology would allow. Even though population is actually decreasing is several western nations, I think that it wouldn't grow and then come all the way back down to 6 billion nessacraily. The 24th century trek Earth, with 24th century technology, could maybe support let's say 50 billion people. But that doesn't mean that it would, as it seem sthat has western nations have become mroe modernized, the brith rates have greatly dropped. The population of the 24th century Earth could thus be anywhere from 1 billion to 100 billion, we might not have any way to tell.

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Oh my god. It's the all powerful DAYSTROM!!

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Posted by warbird5 on :

the 10 billion number for the sol system is kinda low. The Earth should have a population of around 15 billion or more and if you count the other planets, i would say the population is around 20-25 billion for the sol system

Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :

wardbird5, that does sound better. In the 24th century they have Earth, Mars, the moon (Luna), and any other settled bases on moons of other planets and then there are places like Stardock and Jupiter station (even though the would only hold a few thousand people).

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Posted by Daystrom on :

lol

Io.

Now that I think of it why WOULD anyone want to live on Io.

Cant breath on Io.

Cant take a piss without it freezing mid-stream on Io.

But I guess there are other planets and moons in the solar system that would be more comfortable for us to colonize.

You cant trust everything you see in a documentary.

Perhaps I posted out of turn, my apologies.

At any rate, just because the earth can handle 12 billion does mean it will allow its self to. The technology would have to be there first. If the utopia of the Trek universe comes to pass I could accept that number.

However, I dont think that will be the case.

The 10billion number may seem low to some, my assumption is that even with the option of leaving earth, most people would probably prefer to stay home at earth.

The colonies would be just that.

Personally I dont see each colonized world in our system having anything close to earth's current population or even half of it.

Has anyone seen REAL population projections for the earth in the 24th century? That would be the most accurate indicator. The population is going to grow only so fast regardless of the factors involved.
I dont see earth experiencing a population explosion just because we've started to colonize other planets.

That information's got to be on this sophistimacated doowhacky somewhere. Lets see if we can find it.

BTW, hi Kosh.

I am Daystrom and I am here.

lol

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Good for you.

Io could, of course, sustain some sort of 'Biodome' or *paulyspeak* wh-at-not.

Also, would space stations and oribital science platforms count as additions to the population? If so, there's at least a couple million right there.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, I'm sure it's possible to colonize Io. But why would anyone want to? I mean, the whole thing is utterly wracked w/ volcanic activity, unimaginable tidal forces, and that Jupiter-Io flux tube thing. I'm not sure exactly what that is (I read it recently, but I forget), but I'm sure it would cause problems. :-)

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

There's a rather large amount of radiation in the area.

As for the population of Earth, remember that the planet had a healthy chunk of that population wiped out in a final world war. Sure, UFP technology could potentially support huge numbers of people. But would they want to? And from what we've seen of the planet, there don't appear to be any of the large "urban arcologies" that would be necessary to support such populations.

From the last statistics I've seen, the growth rate here on Earth, barring unforeseen influences, is going to flatten out in the mid 21st century. (Of course, there are always unforeseen influences.) In the case of ST Earth, I'd imagine that the population might be declining right at the time of WWIII, continue to decline after the war, and then experience a large boom after First Contact. However, some of that population boom is going to be directed off planet.

When I did some very rough estimates of the UFP population, I started with the only figure we've been given for the population of Earth. 9 billion. Unfortunately, those were all Borg. There really is no reason to say that that figure resembles the "real" one in anyway, but it is a number, at least.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

While it would be necessary for humans to reproduce a lot to achieve a leading position in the UFP, it is obvious that Earth is not overpopulated in the 24th century. If there were 12 billion people, twice the population of today, or even more they would not only require food, water and energy, but first of all area. Everyone would want to have a small house of their own which would be disastreous for Earth's landscape. Think of the whole planet being some sort of suburb of Los Angeles. The planet couldn't be the paradise as often described.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

BTW, I think the population of the Federation is some 1 trillion.

I always thought the figure from "Statistical Probabilities" was vastly exaggerated, because it suggests a total population of 10 trillion at the very least.

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Posted by warbird5 on :

i based my estimate of the population of the Federation from that episode. As for the other major races, any estimates?

Romulan Star Empire- 2 trillion
Klingon Empire- 3 trillion
Cardassia- 1.5 trillion
Gamma Quadrant Doiminion- 15-20 trillion
Federation- 10 trillion

Notice how the Federation is much larger in Population than the other Alpha Quadrant powers, but is weaker than what it's poulation represents.

Posted by warbird5 on :

Any comments on my last post in this thread?

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

What about the IO base in B5 - or is that just a space station near the Io jumpgate? I remember that in one episode where Martial Law is created on Earth - Clark's government wanted Mars Io and Proxima Centauri to do the same...

Back to Star Trek:

known (so far) places in the Sol Star System that have a presence...

Terra, Venus station, Luna, Mars, Jupiter station (which I feel is VERY big - and very technical - I hope we get a nice station in that Voyager episode not just another Regulaesque spacestation.
Emergency Evac point on Mimas? or was it Titan?

I reckon there is a human/federation presence through out the whole system...

Andrew

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