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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

Trektoday, that font of knowledge, informs me of a very worrying news item:
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I'm shocked Paramount allowed her to do this. I don't care what one-liners some dumb senator spouts in the Congress, and I don't care how democratic Mulgrew's politics are.

Her character is a role-model, especially to kids watching the show, and I think any attempt to bring the cultural power and reputation of Trek into the world of day-to-day politics is a disgusting and shameful act. Gene Roddenberry would have blown a fuse, but he's dead so I'm blowing one instead.

She wants to express an opinon? fine. Let her do it in a shopping mall, or an office block, or on the streets. But not IN THAT UNIFORM, or ON THAT BRIDGE.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

I agree.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

If Paramount "frows" upon it, as the article says, how did it happen? Did Mulgrew sneak in after hours with a film crew, get into costume, shoot the ad, get the film, and run out? Possibly stealing some apples on the way?

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

*ugh* She's a Democrat? Now I have a reason not to like her :P

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

Considering the security they have at Paramount it is absolutely impossible that anything could have been filmed on the sets without the cooperation of Paramount itself.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

I believe the article stated that "Paramount generally frowns upon Star Trek actors wearing their uniforms while promoting any marketing or partisan political cause..." (emphasis added). This means that it is unclear whether Paramount authorized such action.

If Paramount specifically did not authorize this 30-second clip, we shall hear all sorts of uproar over this, as they are supremely jealous of their trademarks and copyrights. If they did, we shall hear nothing -- and the sound of silence will confirm that Paramount is backing democratic candidates.

Ugh! I wish the studios, at least, would keep their views to themselves. It's hard to tell actors to stay out of politics, since as soon as they become popular, they begin to believe that the ability to show up on time, remember their lines, and hit their marks means that they are also political geniuses who know better than we do.

--Baloo

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Baloo, certainly your not saying that simply being famous eliminates the right to have and state opinions where politics are concerned. Just like all the rest of us simple citizens can.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Yes, but they're going beyond that here. It's not Mulgrew speaking, it's the Star Trek franchise.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

To be sure, Mulgrew calling out the Bolian vote in uniform represents something rather distasteful.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Interesting... She never even addresses the other candidate's opinions. She just chastises him for saying "Beam me up" in Congress. And she's doing a political commercial in a SF uniform. Let's just think about that one for a while...

Of course, I think it would be supremely funny if it turned out that Paramount had not authorized this, and, suddenly, the Voyager's captain is mysteriously killed sometime between episodes...

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

Next Week on Voyager:

Depressed by an alien species refusal to stop polluting their world's environment, Captain Janeway enters the holodeck to enlist the aid of a hologram of Al Gore, who suggests a helpful five-point plan she can propose...

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

They give him the Holodoc's mobile emitter, and he beams down to the planet, invents the Internet, and then all the aliens spend all their time online and don't have the opportunity to pollute. :-)

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I dislike this concept as well. Er... is it for certain to be true? I mean, it does kind of sound like a tabloid report...

As for democrats in television and Hollywood, I think it's practically a requirement to get in, nowadays. The only Republicans left are Charlton Heston and Tom Sellek.

**WARNING -- DIGRESSION AHEAD -- WARNING**

The media / news conglomerates generally lean so far left its surprising they don't fall over

This is why, if you look closely, you'll see that EVERYONE on TV who obtains a firearm, who is not a police officer or in a military organization, no matter who they are or what their character was like before, IMMEDIATELY becomes a complete idiot. Standard practice is that they then become trigger-happy or paranoid or fear-stricken and wind up hurting or nearly hurting themselves or someone else.

Totally unrealistic bias.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

First of Two, I personally haven't seen the ad, but a few people at the Trek BBS have. So, somewhat unfortunately, it does exist.

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

I find it simply amazing how every argument on politics seems to come back to guns on some level.

Kate Mulgrew made a tv spot for a politician. She's a leftist pinko commie Democrat like everyone else is in Hollywood. She and they hates guns! Damn them for trying to take mine away!

Fascinating.

Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

What the hell have guns got to do with the price of fish?

Jeezus, some of you guys are a bit obsessed!

Good thing you don't know we lefty Europeans and the blue-helmeted UN army are planning to invade you and steal your farms this year... OOPS!

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Bet they wouldn't let her do the add in uniform for a Republican! And since Paramount owns the rights to the uniform, she had to have their permission.

I was over at the BBS. Someone says that the add was shot on the Voyager Bridge set.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Yeah, yeah, grr, grr! Socialists, all of them! Luckily, we still have the guillotine.

What's that? WHAT?! Oh...ok...no...yes, yes, I understand that. But...no. Ok. Fine.

I've been informed that it is somehow "improper" or "frowned upon" to slice the heads off your political enemies in the town square, and then to use computer imagery to show the disembodied head on the nightly news, chatting with the anchor and denouncing their former beliefs. So instead I will say that this smacks me as being distasteful, though not necessarily world ending.

Actually, it raises an interesting point that I shall need more time to mull over.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Sheesh, get a grip! methinks the lefties doth protest too much!

All I was doing was making the quite obvious point that Hollywood and the Media, in general (but not in its entirety), are far more inclined to support 'Democratic' (the party, I mean, not necessarily the system of government) concepts than not, and gave one of the more blatantly obvious examples. None of what I said is either false or unverifiable, so where is the offense?

Heck, even "Touched By an Angel" takes a 'liberal' view of Christianity Mythos... when was the last time anybody got smote on that show? (For a 'Conservative' take on Angels, try 'The Prophecy' with Christopher Walken. Now THAT'S an Old Testament Angel!)

Now, to me, "Star Trek" has always been 'liberal,' in the good senses of the word, and I've never had a problem with that. In general, I've agreed with all the political statements Star Trek has made, especially about war, sexuality, and race since its inception (or rather, since I first watched it in re-runs). So I'm not saying that it's (or Hollywood's) liberalism is a BAD thing. Quite the contrary.

But I do object, and I think rightly, to using the show to promote a specific candidate's specific agenda, no matter if you ARE his sister or cousin or whatever.
And to the unfair characterization that I mentioned previously.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Well, speaking of the Trek view on race, it's actually quite disturbing. Just today, I was watching the Voyager pilot, and Tuvok tells Neelix, "Starfleet is made up of many cultures...I, [for example] am Vulcan."

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Sometimes I wish the planet would be scoured with cleansing fire. Other times I just wish Frank would be.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

I'm sure Sol meant that in the nicest possible way. Really.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Well, when I figure out what Sol means, I'll take it as such.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

As if I could ever direct true malice at a fellow TMBG fan. This is just my lovable psuedomalice.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Ah, OK....augh! I'm on fire! It burns! *collapses in flames*

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

"Lousy Smarch Weather" now you'll only get the reference if your head is screwed on... or your a Simpsons fan.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Watches as Frank burns. Danes to the 70's tune "Disco Inferno."

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Ooh, disco!

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