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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

Rand was a transporter chief in TMP.
BTW: Can anyone explain me what this square means?

Grace Lee Whitney played a commander in STIII (watching the homecoming of the Enterprise in a Starbase-lounge). Ok, maybe that wasn't Rand.

Then Rand appears in ST4 wearing a NCO-Uniform, but a few people and the credits say that she was a commander in ST4.

In ST6 she was a Lt. JG aboard the Excelsior.

And in "Flashback" (same time as ST6) she was a Lt. Cmdr?

Any thoughts?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

On the part of the costume designers? Apparently not...

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

I haven't seen TMP in many years, so I don't know what that sqare means. If it's on both shoulders, than it's just part of the uniform.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

It is on both shoulders. As this pins differ widely from the usual rank-system, used for the epaulets, I think they have a special meaning, and are not just part of the uniform.

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Posted by Savar on :

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say the square denotes a Chief Petty Officer. Rand WAS the transporter chief, if I remember correctly. This device is very similar to the Petty Officer pin used on the later uniform jackets. This is a nice clear photo of a TMP uniform BTW, where is it from?

I'm thinking we could check my hypothesis by running the movie and looking closely at Chief DiFalco's uniform. She replaced Ilia after V'ger zapped her. DiFalco also wore a tan uniform. If she also has shoulder boards with this device on them, the Petty Officer theory would be well supported.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well maybe she was an NCO from TOS all the way through till somewhere between Star Trek: IV and VI - which is really quite a few years.

So she could have been at the top of the NCO's - i.e. "Commander" in NCO ranks... then as she said in Flashback, it took her 3 years to become an Ensign... I guess she had to go back and take and officer's course!?!

Also, because of her experience... maybe she was bumped up the ranks quicker than usual...

Andrew

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Wasn't Rand a First Officer on the Excelsior? I thought it was mentioned somewhere.....

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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If I were to hazard a guess, I would say the square denotes a Chief Petty Officer.

The book "The making of TMP" says that it denotes chief, but it is not clear if that means Transporter chief or Chief Petty Officer.

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This device is very similar to the Petty Officer pin used on the later uniform jackets.

Nope, the square denotes Ables'man on the ST2-7 uniforms.

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This is a nice clear photo of a TMP uniform BTW, where is it from?

It's from the Fact Files.

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