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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,5,18,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 05, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:00 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Rand was a transporter chief in TMP. <BR>BTW: Can anyone explain me what this <A HREF="http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~curtdan/Excelsior/Rand_2271_Big.jpg" TARGET=_blank>square</A> means?<P>Grace Lee Whitney played a commander in STIII (watching the homecoming of the Enterprise in a Starbase-lounge). Ok, maybe that wasn't Rand.<P>Then Rand appears in ST4 wearing a NCO-Uniform, but a few people and the credits say that she was a commander in ST4.<P>In ST6 she was a Lt. JG aboard the Excelsior.<P>And in "Flashback" (same time as ST6) she was a Lt. Cmdr?<P>Any thoughts?<P>------------------<BR>"No matter where you go, there you are."<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Omega</b> <br /><small>Member # 91</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,5,19,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 05, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:42 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> On the part of the costume designers? Apparently not...<P>------------------<BR>"To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them."<BR>- George Mason, American Statesman and Author of the Virginia Declaration of Rights (1776)<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,6,11,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I haven't seen TMP in many years, so I don't know what that sqare means. If it's on both shoulders, than it's just part of the uniform.<P>------------------<BR>"Huh. An intelligent guard. I never would have guessed."<BR>-Stith, <I>Titan A.E.</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,6,13,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:07 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It is on both shoulders. As this pins differ widely from the usual rank-system, used for the epaulets, I think they have a special meaning, and are not just part of the uniform.<P>------------------<BR>"No matter where you go, there you are."<P><p>[This message has been edited by Fitz (edited July 06, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Savar</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,13,22,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 13, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If I were to hazard a guess, I would say the square denotes a Chief Petty Officer. Rand WAS the transporter chief, if I remember correctly. This device is very similar to the Petty Officer pin used on the later uniform jackets. This is a nice clear photo of a TMP uniform BTW, where is it from?<P>I'm thinking we could check my hypothesis by running the movie and looking closely at Chief DiFalco's uniform. She replaced Ilia after V'ger zapped her. DiFalco also wore a tan uniform. If she also has shoulder boards with this device on them, the Petty Officer theory would be well supported. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,6,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:05 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well maybe she was an NCO from TOS all the way through till somewhere between Star Trek: IV and VI - which is really quite a few years.<P>So she could have been at the top of the NCO's - i.e. "Commander" in NCO ranks... then as she said in Flashback, it took her 3 years to become an Ensign... I guess she had to go back and take and officer's course!?!<P>Also, because of her experience... maybe she was bumped up the ranks quicker than usual...<P>Andrew<P>------------------<BR>"chocolate cherries allamanda" - Datura, Tori Amos<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Saltah'na</b> <br /><small>Member # 33</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,8,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Wasn't Rand a First Officer on the Excelsior? I thought it was mentioned somewhere.....<P>------------------<BR>"My Name is Elmer Fudd, Millionaire. I own a Mansion and a Yacht."<BR>Psychiatrist: "Again."<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,9,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>If I were to hazard a guess, I would say the square denotes a Chief Petty Officer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The book "The making of TMP" says that it denotes chief, but it is not clear if that means Transporter chief or Chief Petty Officer.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>This device is very similar to the Petty Officer pin used on the later uniform jackets.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nope, the square denotes Ables'man on the ST2-7 uniforms.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>This is a nice clear photo of a TMP uniform BTW, where is it from?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's from the Fact Files.<BR><P>------------------<BR>"No matter where you go, there you are."<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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