Not sh*t, but I just don't like it somehow. There are inconsistancies in the plot, and the producers layed emphasis upon the actionesque element instead on the scifi element.
Just my opinions. I've only given them to prove my theory that even-number movies are the best.
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Posted by Sidewinder (Member # 50) on :
Your opinions are shared by most everyone.
The next movie probably will be a ground breaking...
Best movie coming up!
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I've never understood what everyone has against TSfS...
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Me neither. And as for pointless explotions, I've always felt there were to few battle-scenes in Trek-movies, which kinda made them more appreciated.
My favourites are Khan's and Chang's.
FC was wonderful, but the torps kinda lost their feel, like they were throwing baseballs at an elephant.
As for ST:X, I trust they will make an OK story. My only wish is that we can see a wide variety of ship-classes.
But I wonder if a ST-movie could pull off not being in a life-death situation. If you think about it, all movies have been about that.
It would be very nice if they never were under any threat to anyone's life and you still left the cinema with a smile. I mean, there ARE movies like that. Is Star Trek too weak not to be about heroes and villains?
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
*hears approaching group with sticks, shotguns and torches*
Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
*understatementspeak*
quote:
ST V (The Final Frontier)
BAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! not good...
*/understatementspeak*
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Posted by Sidewinder (Member # 50) on :
But, doesn't the Trek movie thing sorta follow the "death is going to bring in money" approach. In each film, someone was about to die, from the whole planet to Kirk falling off the mountian in ST5.
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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Well, I heard on a Trek news thing that the writer is the same guy that wrote Gladiator. That makes me think that it might be a little 'action packed'.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK, it can have action, but it can't neglect characters...
It can have characterisation, that's not an invitation for comedy.
It has to have drama
It has to have an 'epic' feel.
It has to be quintessentially Star Trek
It has to have a decent plot.
It can't retread old ideas.
I don't think Brannon Braga should be involved.
It SHOULDN'T involve any characters from other Treks.
It should have good effects, I think they might need ILM back.
It shouldn't be an effects fest.
It has to have more CRUSHER (Beverly)
I will be upset if they neglect her AGAIN. Just look at her fantabulous episodes... "Remember Me" "The High Ground" "The Arsenal of Freedom" "Suspicions" - even "Sub Rosa" as crap as it was was... good. MORE BEVERLY!
We have to see old Starship classes again - not NEW designs but old ones 'spruced up' like the Nebbie again.
but the last point isn't exactly a 'has to be'.
Andrew
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I don't know about that "other characters" thing. I'd like to involve Spock and the reunification movement somehow.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It's all about Q.
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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
"I don't think Brannon Braga should be involved."
Agreed.
But may I remind you that the movie has to have CONTINUITY. And we all know that Braga is infamous for ignoring it.
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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :
Actually, I was thinking that they could end Voyager with a cliff-hanger (the very last ep) then conclude the plot in the ST:X. Not only would you drive ticket sales just to see what happens, you'd give Voyager a distinction that would make up for the recent seasons poor writing.
There are many possible scenarios. We could have Voyager find another caretaker/wormhole/drive-of-the-week and be coming towards the Alpha Quadrant a la Timeless, with maybe a fleet of Borg cubes following. Then, in the movie, the MIDAS device might recieve a message from Voyager saying they were coming home. When the Enterprise greets them, out pops Voyager with the Borg behind them.
Or we could have an Elite Forceish idea where Voyager is caught in some imovable void or field, and then in the movie the Enterprise has to come and rescue them ... Then again Voyager could end the series with everything hunckey-dory, about to arrive at the Alpha Quadrant, when it is discovered in the movie that everyone on Voyaegr is infected with a contagion that could threaten the Alpha Quadrant.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Yes, there are many theories.
Just to make it clear, are there NO hints from Paramount about starting or preparing production of this movie? No booked actors?
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Posted by Cammodude on :
Those ideas for a Voyager/Tng movie sound good. However I honestly think is time to bring Q back. I have a few ideas for a Q movie, but I would hate to disclose them because I don't want somebody else taking them.
As for Star Trek XI (Insurrection), maybie it's just me, but I thought it was just as good as ST:FC.
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
There are rumors that there will be a giant space battle. But in my opinion I would like to see only yhr eEnterprise and perhaps a few other ships maybe a Galaxy or two but nothing like in the hundreds. This givesthe audience thinking "Ok if the Enterprise blows up they got plenty more" The one on one battles like in Star Trek II (my favorite movie of all Star Trek) In this movie I loved the feel of it that's all.
If they make a action-packed movie then it wouldn't be Star Trek at all. Yes the orginal Star Trek was supposed to be like that but the TNG crew isn't. I loved Glaidator and if they make Star Trek like that then the fans who loved TNG becuase it was a smart and popular series will no like that movie.
By the way extremely understated how bad Star Trek 5 was. "Bahhhh.....not good" It's more like "the worse peice of $%^&* in movie history.
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I'm still pulling for "Star Trek X: First of Two Conquers the Universe"
or "Star Trek : Voyager : Survivor" bringing back the old 'audience-interactive' gimmick... every few minutes, you get to choose which Voyager crewmember gets assimilated, blown out an airock, fried by an exploding conduit, etc.
but then, I'm insane. 
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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :
To steal one of the best lines from TOP,
ST:X:Borgasm
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
About the Dominion collapsing thing...
I read a story called Star Trek: Assimilation and it went with the idea that the Dominion was created to protect the Founders from the Borg. Mind you, the story took place during DS9, before the war was over. Voyager and the E-E were involved, and our old buddies Hugh, Riley, Wesley, and The Traveller were involved, too
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
To claim that Star Trek V belongs among the ranks of the truly awful indicates a lack of experience. Does ST V feature a powerful sorceress who wears nothing but a red tie and flies around with a magic glowing vagina? Visible boom mikes? Tire tracks on the moon? Torgo?
No, The Final Frontier may be a bad Trek movie, and it may be stunningly mediocre, but as far as truly bad films go, the history of cinema is replete with movies so awful your retinas will seperate in order to save the rest of your body.
I remain unconvinced that a Trek film can be directly connected to events from an episode and succeed. The idea sounds doomed to failure, like plans for a Sliders movie. If you want a successful Trek film, and a TNG one at that, you need to look at the best episodes and then say "Like that, but bigger".
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Ok, so it can't be connected to an episode, then it fails. But a TNG-movie can look at it's episodes and say "like that, but bigger" and succeed. Hmm...
I think ST:II did it pretty good. And FC was linked to BoBW in many ways.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
What about the X-Files movie, hmm?
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
That's funny, you must have been watching a different version of "Space Seed" then we got in this universe. Ours didn't end on a cliffhanger with "To Be Continued...In A Theater Near You!" emblazoned in funky red lettering.
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You said "connected". You didn't say "directly follow on from".
It does need to have a sense of scale. Yeah, there are movies where people don't die, but do you want a sci-fi version of Friends? Actually, I do, but still...
And it still amuses me when people keep saying "The most important thing is for it to have new ship classes in it!" or "The most important thing is for it to have Nebula-class ships in it", or "The most inportant thing is continuity", or "the most important thing is for the movie to adress why Picard's Stargazer model was missing from his office during 'The Battle'". Bollocks. The most important thing is a good story. Everything else is negotiable.
And what do you mean:
"With the pressure on Berman to turn Star trek into a mass market cash cow from an intelligent niche show by Paramount executives"
Star Trek's been a mass-market cash-cow for well over a decade now. The Next Generation was as close to mass market/mainstream as Trek has got on TV, and the Trek films usually do pretty well as the box office. Star Trek IS mass market. It's DS9 and Voyager that aren't.
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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
I've noticed something about three of the four most successful Trek Movies. These three usually involve a nemesis introduced in the Trek Eps.
For instance:
- STII: Khan, Kirk's Nemesis from "Space Seed".
- STVI: The Klingons, Kirk's other nemesis.
- STFC: The Borg, Picard's nemesis.
The fourth is STIV, but in that movie, there IS no nemesis.
Wonder what the next movie is going to bring?
SCSI: Someone over here also coined the term "Borgy" (sorry, couldn't resist)
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Posted by Sidewinder (Member # 50) on :
Well, then lets think of possible enemies for the next movie:
1. Romulans??
2. Dominion??
3. Teletubbies??
all possible?
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, Kirk had a single man as an enemy, and a group of people as an enemy. Picard's had his group (or maybe the collective counts as a single entity?). Now he needs a single person that makes a good adversary. I mean, nothing exactly like Khan. Can't just copy a previous movie.
I wanna see Sela. It'd fit in will with the reunification movement, and it'd be nice to see Denise in a movie. Having her and Spock in a movie together would be great.
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Posted by Sidewinder (Member # 50) on :
I still want to see the E cream a teletubbie!!
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Omega: Uh... Did you watch Generations? Remember Soran? Or even Ru'afo in Insurrection?
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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
Yes, please! No more maniac trying to destroy/ rule the universe/earth!
I think it would be unfair to jump to a voy/tng movie!
What about DS9???? Most of their episodes would fit onto the cinema-screen, especially the battles scenes.
Maybe some O'Brien and Bashir Cameo!
The Breen would make a great adversary in the next movie, but they should not be revealed too much....
Don't let them take their helmets off!
All the mystery would be gone!!!
The same happened in Space-Above&Beyond (or Space2063) with the Chigs.
But i really like Omegas idea! unknown destructors of the dominion will be searched by a Federation Task Force...and finally they find them - the Vaadwaur (the guys from voyager ep "Dragon's Teeth"!
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well I think after seeing bits of Insurrection again this evening - we have to FEEL for the Characters... I was just thinking to myself - especially in the battle scene of Insurrection (don't get me wrong its not that BAD of a movie) that how formulaic is the battle sequence in Insurrection... Of course the big E was going to pull through... of course the Bak'u would be saved... there was nothing COMPELLING to pull/YANK you into the other side/last half of the movie.
If you really don't CARE or can see that your characters are going to 'win' always - then you're attention is not really going to be held for long is it.
Think of the Great Trek movies... II: Spock's death, the Enterprise in pieces... stranded inside the Genesis planet etc. etc. VI: The tension between the Klingons and the Feds... Kirk and McCoys trial/them giving themselves up/the race to Khitomer etc.
First Contact: Set the future right... First Contact... Picard dealing with the Borg - Data's alliegence - the fate of the Big E... Picard loosing it with Lilly.
Great stuff.
Andrew
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I was sort of curious to know just how Picard intended to 'slow things down' in the Federation. It sounded to me like he was talking about the necessity to 'clean house' as it were.
Although after DS9, I think I've had enough of Section 31-style conspiracies.
Exploration/Adventure.
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Nemesis:
Thanks, but I should have posted that in a thread about the next series, not here.
TSN:
I meant a really great villan from the series that REALLY hates Picard (and NOT Bok!). Maybe Sela doesn't have that exact characteristic, but they could plausably work up her having a grudge against Data, seeing how he's ruined all three of her plans that we've seen, presumably getting her in trouble. I'd like that. Again, reunification is the way to go. Gotta have at least some mention of Spock, if not an actual appearance, and you could bring Worf in in a decent manner (unlike Insurrection), as the Romulans effectively joining the Federation could definitely cause some tensions with the Klingons. Built-in villan. The only pitfall I see is that you risk copying ST6, but that should be reasonably easy to avoid.
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
Again, like I said before, I Guarantee you that there will not be a Voyager movie.
This will be the timeline.
June 2001: Voyager Finishes.
Sept 2001: Series V Starts.
December 2002: Star Trek: X.
December 2008: Star Trek: XI, featuring Series V cast.
I know this, for I am a rabbit.
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
For Star Trek X, I wouldn't mind seeing a really off the wall ending, or resolution.
For example, I was watching an episode of 'The Practice' a while ago, and although I only caught a bit of it, I saw a scene in which a "villian" had tied Dylan/Duncan/Stacey McDermott to a chair, and had a gun at his chest.
Which was about as entertaining as an episode of 'Pregnancy Story' on TLC. Obviously the "villian" was not going to kill their main star, not with his millions of dollars contract.
So in ST:X, they should do that. Have Picard or somebody in an unwinnable situation, and just when the audience thinks 'Oh, he's gonna get out safe' - POW!
That I'd go see.
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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :
quote:
December 2002: Star Trek: X
I think Berman said quite clearly that ST:X would be released in December 2001. He said they're drawing up a script right now for the movie, as well as for Series V ...
Then again, he could just be putting us off ...
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
That's what I meant. Damn typos.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ultra Magnus... I was thinking of 'The Practice' as well! Those sort of endings was what attracted me to that FINE show... They don't just wrap it up all nicely...
The episodes that pulled me in were with "Anderson Pearson" Instead of "Not Guilty" it was "Guilty" and it just pulled away with the three lawyers just standing there in disbelief...
Another - where Bobby made his client change his plea at the very last minute... and it ended up the guy was found not guilty anyway! AMAZING STUFF.
Andrew
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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :
Lawyer Dramas. Oh, puh-leeze. I wonder what it would sound like if the shows were actual live court room broadcasts ...
Defendant's Attorney: I think it is quite clear that the city garbage municipality has caused emotional damagae to my client. The city has refused to clean its main disposal facility for many years past its due date--
Plaintiff's Attourney: Objection! The city has done everything in its power to ensure the physchological well-being of its employees ...
And so on. For days at a time. Or how about those cases debating residential zoning violations, in which someone builds a structure on their property less than five feet within the end of the property line ...
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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Isn't Sela dead? Data performed the Vulcan Death Grip/Neck Pinch on Sela. It was supposed to explain why she hasn't been seen in any subsequent episode.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Weeeell, in one of the NF books, Soleta and Selar entered her mind to get information, and she just shut her brain down. Whether or not she'll survive.... *shrug*
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Yeah, but NF isn't canon, so it could just be ignored. And the vulcan neck pinch doesn't kill people. Spock used it on McCoy in ST2, and that dude on the bus in 4.
There was the Vulcan death grip, but it wasn't real. It was just part of a ploy to steal a cloak in "The Enterprise Incident".
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yes, the Vulcan neck pinch only knocks people out for a while. The "Vulcan death grip" Spock and Kirk faked in "The Enterprise Incident" didn't even involve neck-pinching. I think it was more of a head-grab thing...
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Besides, you really think that Data would have just killed her like that? With only a jokey "not bad" from Spock as follow-through? No chance. She's alive if they want her to be alive.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
LOL! people are looking at me ;o) Everyone, just think that scene through again with what Liam just said... the "not bad bit" and Data "just killing her" with the "Death grip" LOL! Its bloody hilarious... Killing machines (literally) that complement each other on their fine work
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