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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :

With the soon end of Voyager, one must ponder that there is too many crews/characters for the movies. It is very hard to keep track of 3 crews in one movie and it is not feasable to make a movie for each crew. I think it is time to kill off characters. If Brent Spiner want Data killed off then they should let him. What characters do you want to be killed off.

And another thing, they should also mix up the crews. Who ever heard of going up the ranks by staying on the same ship for 10 or 15 years with the same people by your side. who ever heard of two or three captains on the same ship

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

The Voyager crew will never be featured in any movie, so I don't think you have to worry about that.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Kill Chakotay! KILL KILL!!

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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :

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Kill Chakotay! KILL KILL!!

I quote Robert Beltran from an interview:

Q: You're on hiatus now, between seasons six and seven. Do you know how the whole thing is going to end up, aside from badly?
RB: I've no idea, but I have a sneaking suspicion they'll end up killing me off.
Audience: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.......
RB: I think they will, I think they'll do something drastic to push the ratings because it's going to take something drastic. I won't be sorry. I think they could very well kill off one or two of us, maybe Neelix and me, I think it's a distinct possibility, because we seem to be superfluous to the show.

Q: If they decide your character should be assimilated by the Borg, how will you react?
RB: If I had to stay in that makeup for two an half hours, I would have to say "No". Besides I'm so sick of the Borg, I never got the Borg, I don't get them. I think they're so boring. (Borg voice) "We're going to assimilate you". "Fine, put me out of my misery. I don't give a damn who you are." There are a lot of things in Shakespeare (laughter)--I mean Star Trek, that just bore the hell out of me. I don't get the Borg, I don't get the Klingons (Klingon voice) "We have honour, we're honourable! We talk like this...." But they still don't understand warp speed technology, they don't take baths. When I mention these things to my friends who like the show, they say "But you're thinking too much. Don't think about it so much" and I say "But how can I not think, I'm in the show, and things have to matter to me as a character." And they say "No, it doesn't have to matter, don't worry about it, don't think about it." I try not to, but some things are just so glaringly stupid, like the Kazon. They have ships as sophisticated as Voyager, but they went nuts because we had water. They want water, so get on your damn ship and fly to a planet that has water! You don't have to buy it piecemeal from us. It's things like that. But I suppose the thing is not to think about it too much. Is that what you do?
Audience: Yes.
RB: Oh, that's good. Now I've got to catch my train. If I'm gone by the thirteenth episode you'll know why. You all have an exclusive. You heard it from me first. I'm really not doing my best to get out of the show, but it would be nice to be free by December! Actually, I hope to stay the whole seventh season, it's up to them, but I have this sneaking suspicion they're going to kill me off. Anyway, it's been great meeting all of you. I hope to see you again, I'll be coming back. Like I said before, I enjoy coming to London. Maybe I'll do a little tour again. It's always great fun meeting you people. English fans are terrific. I always enjoy myself very much. Thank you.

You can see the rest at http://www.robertbeltran.com

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

WOOHOO!!!

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Hm... Seems more to me like he isn't think thinking about things enough, rather than thinking about them too much.

Or, perhaps the Borg have just been irreparably ruined by Voyager, and that's why he doesn't understand them...

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I think I like Beltran. Not Chakotay, but Beltran.

Posted by Amadeus on :

Beltran rocks. Voyager sucks. I hope they kill off everyone except Tuvok and the Doctor. They'd be the only two making it back to earth.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

They will have to keep 7/9 for the next series!

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

I've always felt that Chakotay was the most underused character in the show, and that he could have been so much more. The first season or two established many things about the character (i.e. his spirituality, spirit guides, vision quests, Native American backstory, etc.), but which were never subsequently brought up again later in the show. These things were what made this character "Chakotay," and unfortunately he ended up being just "the captain's first officer." He could have been Joe Smith instead of Chakotay, and there wouldn't have been any difference.

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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :

To quote Robert Beltran again "I might as well be a Cigar Store Indian"

The man is quite a character. With a prolific stage career.

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A scene that was cut from last season's "Rock" episode, Tsumkatse:
Rock: Do ya smell what the Rock's cookin'?
Janeway: Mr. Rock, was that you?
Tuvok: An intriguing smell ...

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Personally, I think Beltran's comments, while at times painfully valid, are pretty darned unprofessional.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I think working on a show of the extreme quality and calibur as Voyager...

Wait, I mean, working on a show where every problem is solved by some goddamn new particle, or by Seven and her goddamn implants, I think that when you're as extremely underused, and when used, as misused as Beltran, you can say any goddamn thing that you goddamn want.

I say go Beltran. And, despite his "unprofessionalism", he stands the best chance of having work come fall 2001.

Posted by Sidewinder (Member # 50) on :

that guy is a loser

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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :

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are pretty darned unprofessional.

Ah, yes, but that's what makes Robert Beltran a character. Chakotay is some scripted goodie-goodie Federation fill-in who never worries about anything (not a good character). Beltran is a 20th century small-time actor who can't stand the unstability of the Movie/Television industry and thus is grizzled from it. Transfering from the stage to Hollywood is painful to him, and he is experiencing a deep internal conflict (very good, tragic hero-like character).

If the man were to do a movie of his life, it would be a five-star classic. Not to mention the literary angle ...

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A scene that was cut from last season's "Rock" episode, Tsumkatse:
Rock: Do ya smell what the Rock's cookin'?
Janeway: Mr. Rock, was that you?
Tuvok: An intriguing smell ...

[This message has been edited by SCSImperium (edited August 12, 2000).]

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Yes, I'm sure Beltran will get lots of work, what with classics like "Night of the Comet" filling out his resume.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Did Robert Beltran sneak into your house one christmas and steal all your presents?

Oh, and about:
"Who ever heard of going up the ranks by staying on the same ship for 10 or 15 years with the same people by your side. who ever heard of two or three captains on the same ship "

I know this is crazy, but whoever has heard of a ship that travels through space meeting aliens who understand English and wear trousers?

Sorry, it's just not something that bugs me. People keep comparing it to the real (US) navy. Well, duh, it isn't. You don't get rid of characters because "that's what they do in the military", and you don't kill people off just because you've got too many people running about.
Why'd they have to have them all in the movie anyway? Why'd they have to have any of them? The writers will just pick what characters they want to use, and use them. And then Brent and Pat will ask for lots of money, and they'll drop the cameo's, and then they'll add in more "boobs" jokes, and you've got a classic on your hands.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

The thing I want to know is, in all the modern day stories of encounters w/ extraterrestrial life, why don't any of them wear pants? When humans start visiting other planets, are we going to do it in the nude, too?

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Posted by SCSImperium (Member # 397) on :

In Trek, everyone is well known and aquintated. Even the Kazon in the Delta Quadrant seem to know who humans are. When Janeway walks up to the Kazon leader in the first episode of the series, he doesn't seem surprised at all. It goes as far as that civilizations that are not space faring, or know very little about space, aren't shocked about seeing aliens pass by and stop in for tea. It's commonplace in the future.

The alien philosophy nowadays is that they don't want to frieghten us. Wearing clothes might seem imposing. So instead they abduct us on country roads.

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Operator of the Goulag Hotel, maintainer of the workhouses.

Operator of Cargill Conglomerate Publications, http://www.cargillconglomerate.com

A scene that was cut from last season's "Rock" episode, Tsumkatse:
Rock: Do ya smell what the Rock's cookin'?
Janeway: Mr. Rock, was that you?
Tuvok: An intriguing smell ...