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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Masao</b> <br /><small>Member # 232</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,11,19,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 11, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:39 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I know that the Romulan commanders appearing in "Balance of Terror" and "The Enterprise Incident" weren't given names on air. But were they given names in any novels? Any help would be appreciated.<P>------------------<BR>When you're in the Sol system, come visit the <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/sfmuseum/" TARGET=_blank> Starfleet Museum </A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Soontir_Fel</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,11,22,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 11, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Decipher's 'Mirror, Mirror' set names the Romulan commander from 'The Enterprise Incident' Commander Charvanek. While the other commander from 'Balance of Terror' is named Keras in 'The Trouble with Tribbles' set.<P>------------------<BR>"I find your lack of faith disturbing."<P>-Lord Darth Vader (Star Wars: A New Hope)<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Soontir_Fel (edited December 11, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dukhat</b> <br /><small>Member # 341</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,11,23,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 11, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The female Romulan commander was also named Charvanek in the Vulcan's Heart novel.<P>------------------<BR>Homer: "I'm not normally a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me, Superman!" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Masao</b> <br /><small>Member # 232</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,0,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:00 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thanks, guys!<P>------------------<BR>When you're in the Sol system, come visit the <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/sfmuseum/" TARGET=_blank> Starfleet Museum </A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,0,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:51 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There are at least 3 novels with 3 different names for the female Romulan commander.<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.8ung.at/fitz/" TARGET=_blank>"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."</A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,7,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:43 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Plus unimaginative early novels which call her "the Romulan Commander". Ugh. It's almost as painful as reading D.C.Fontana's Pike-era "Vulcan's Glory" where everybody calls the mysterious Number One... "Number One"!<P>So, how many names for #1 in the novels and RPGs? Oltion goes with Peter David's "Lieutenant Lefter" joke in his Pike-era story "Where the Sea meets the Sky", but I guess other novels have already established a name or two for her.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dukhat</b> <br /><small>Member # 341</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,11,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:55 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I remember one of the novels mentioning that Number One was an alien!<P>------------------<BR>Homer: "I'm not normally a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me, Superman!" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,12,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes, this was in "Vulcan's Glory". She's from Ilyria and genetically perfect. Hence the name Number One.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>"Lieutenant Lefter" joke in his Pike-era story "Where the Sea meets the Sky"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What joke? This book isn't available in Austria, and I'm afraid that it will take 2 years before it is published.<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.8ung.at/fitz/" TARGET=_blank>"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."</A><P><BR><p>[This message has been edited by Fitz (edited December 12, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,13,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:06 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> TWO YEARS? TWO YEARS?<P>And again,<P>TWO YEARS?<P>------------------<BR>"I am in one of those rare periods of life where I am convinced I am a sexy devil."- <I>Simon "Sol System" Sizer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,13,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:10 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes, it takes a long time to translate them. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/frown.gif"> The latest books published here, were NF #1, 2, 3 and 4<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.8ung.at/fitz/" TARGET=_blank>"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."</A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,15,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah thats right!<BR>But the newest book(or up to date book by US standarts) published by Heyne are not the NF ones, its "I,Q" also by Peter David.<P>Thats why i order the english StarTrek over Amazon.de...<P>Too bad that it is taking so long, and the only publisher in germany, austria and swiss is Heyne.<P>And i can tell you, that is not everything we'll have to wait a long time here in germany... or for Fitz austria. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<P>Seventhworld, the new SciFi-Project <BR> <A HREF="http://www.seventhworld.de" TARGET=_blank>http://www.seventhworld.de</A> <BR> Soon to be featured StarTrek Nemesis<P>Visit Rogue Fleet! The new StarTrek Internet RPG.<BR><A HREF="http://www.pbem-portal.com/trek/roguefleet/rogue_fleet.htm" TARGET=_blank>RogueFleet</A><BR>Applications are still running!<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,20,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:41 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *rereads* Oh, AUSTRIA. I thought you said Australia. Jeez, I know they speak funny, but <i>translating</i> them? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"I am in one of those rare periods of life where I am convinced I am a sexy devil."- <I>Simon "Sol System" Sizer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Quatre Winner</b> <br /><small>Member # 464</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,12,21,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ya think I can get Trek books in "Hillbilly" for this general area? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Quatre.<P>------------------<BR>"Omae o korusu..." - Heero Yuy<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starbuck</b> <br /><small>Member # 153</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,13,11,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 13, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> In the "Paramount Comics" line by Marvel, there was a series of <I>The Cage</I>-era stories... and if I recall correctly, in the first issue (titled "Flesh of My Flesh") there was a conversation which went something like this:<P>PIKE: So what should I call you? Lieutenant Robbins. Eure--<P>NUMBER ONE: An old family curse. "Number One" will be fine.<P>Yet another theory - I saw it on the web but apparently it's from a noncanon, unauthorized source - claims that Number One is somehow related to Christine Chapel.<P>------------------<BR>"Replicate some marmalade, Commander - helm control is toast!"<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,13,11,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 13, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Number One is somehow related to Christine Chapel.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, both were played by Majel Roddenberry.<BR><P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.8ung.at/fitz/" TARGET=_blank>"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."</A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,14,6,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And, to spoil the fun for everybody who hasn't read NF beyond the books 1-5...<P>$<BR>$<BR>$<BR>$<BR>$<BR>$<BR>$<BR>$<BR>$<BR>$<P>...this is what Peter David's running gag is about. He has a character in NF who is Robin Lefter's long-lost mother. And according to the many hints he drops, she is obviously "played by Majel Roddenberry", too. <P>Everybody who has interacted with another character played by MR will mistake her for that character sooner or later. Riker and Picard obviously take her for Lwaxana Troi, while Scotty recognizes her as Chris Chapel. And Pike speaks of his XO as "Lefter", suggesting a family relationship to Robin.<P>Apparently, #1 <i>is</i> Robin's mother (she happens to be an immortal, BTW, although she probably is an immortal human much like Mr Flint from "Requiem for Metusaleah"), and in the marriage with Robin's father, the maternal name was chosen as the family name. It's not currently known if she takes time off to masquerade as a Betazoid, too, but she just *might* be Deanna's aunt...<P>One wonders if Romulans have similar immortals/doppelgangers. At least the Commander played by Carolyn Seymour appears under two different names in the Imperial Romulan Fleet...<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Omega</b> <br /><small>Member # 91</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,11,14,10,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:13 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *L*<P>Or maybe Gul Dukat was an immie, too. He was originally a human in the 19th century. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>*pictures Gul Dukat beheading Lwaxana*<P>There can be only one.<P>------------------<BR>"You know, you--you let a wolf save your life, they make you pay and pay and pay..." <BR> - Fraser, "due South" <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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