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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Here's an improved pic of Vulcan: http://filmforce.ign.com/news/1765.html

A review of the special edition: http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=7669

I wonder if Vulcan will still have moons.
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

"The Page Cannot Be Found..."

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Dammit, you had to edit it and fix it just when I replied didn't you?

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

*looks at links*

Whoa!

Quatre.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Excellent. I only wish Paramount would have put some special features into their other DVD releases. Sure, watching The Wrath of Khan in digital widescreen is a lot of fun, but I would love extra scenes and commentary. Especially commentary. I'm addicted to it. Who knows why.

I also wish there was a better website to go for this sort of thing. I've grown to detest Ain't It Cool News.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I've got a feeling that they'll re-release all the movies again - with the extras... that'll mean people would have bought the DVD - with nothing - then the DVD with extras...

Wrath - will probably have those extra scenes like in the ABC TV version...

well I'm sure there are cut scenes from all the movies...

like IV had cut footage.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Er, pretty much every movie ever has cut scenes.

Why do you hate Ain't-it-cool news Sol?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I don't like Harry Knowles and AICN because of his review of "Highlander: Endgame." Not so much the review, but why he didn't like it.

a) He had never seen The Series ... then questioned plot points in the film answered in the Series.

b) He compared it way too often to "Crouching Tiger" or whatever that film is. It's "HIGHLANDER", not a Hong Kong flick!

Basicly, he went in expecting to see "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", saw "Highlander - Endgame", and went off in a really insane rant about fans of the Highlander films and movies, ignoring the fact that he's fan of stuff that makes Highlander look Oscar Nominee material.

Okay, rant over. 'Nuff said. Harry's a judgemental idiot, IMHO.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I don't like the site's design, first of all. It's just ugly. This is, obviously, not the most damning of criticisms.

Beyond that, I find the whole attitude that pervades the site to be distasteful, from its Commander-in-Geek (Was that funny?) to the general posting population. It's just not my scene. The philosophy behind their rating system seems so superficial to me, or at least it is far from how I judge films.

I suppose the real reason is probably because I'm a hypocritical snob who turns his nose down at those earnest young men in their expansive shirts while secretly being a huge loser myself. Or, I'm better than them all. One of the two.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"a) He had never seen The Series ... then questioned plot points in the film answered in the Series."

Now, to be fair, Endgame was a "movie". In a "movie", all the important information should be presented to you. You can't just assume that everyone going to see it will have seen every episode in great detail. That's the mistake Trek films always come dangerously close to making (and have made).

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Nah, my theory on franchise films is this...screw the casual viewer! I want to be rewarded for my attention to the franchise. I want to pick up on things that the casual viewer doesn't get. First Contact did this well. When the Holodoc showed up on the E-E casual viewers probably went away wondering why the bald guy from Voyager was in the movie. The rest of us knew that the same program had been installed in all new Fleet ships.

Now, I'm only a casual viewer of the Highlander franchise, and I kept up ok with Endgame (even though I didn't particularly like the film).

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

I just got a DVD player, and have or rented a couple movies I've seen before just to see the deleted footage. I just wish they'd go to the extra effort to put these scenes within the movie where they should of been instead seperately. I know they aren't "DVD-quality", so perhaps it could have a little mark appear telling you it's a deleted scene. In my opinion it would give the movie a more complete feel.

As for the ST:TMP-SE, I wrote to Star Trek: The Magazine asking if there were plans to remake the rest of the movies and they replied saying no. My guess is Paramount will wait to see if TMP-SE is successful enough before putting out the money it would take for the rest of the movie.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I didn't like Endgame much either. But I didn't care for how "Commander-in-Geek" characterized Paul's acting or fighting ability. Adrian Paul has done some great acting (and some bad), but Harry dismisses it.

And Adrian Paul knows how to handle a sword. Bob Anderson, the original "Series" swordmaster, compared him favorably to Errol Flynn, so for Harry to knock Paul's sword-swingin' was especially insulting (Harry seemed to ignore that the light-saber fight in SW:ANH SUCKED). Any "Highlander" fans who've seen "Finale pt. 2", "Revelations 6:8" and other eps know that AP can swing a sword with the best of them. Give that man a lightsaber, he'd take out Darth Maul.

Okay, rant over.

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

To be fair, though i haven't seen it yet, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is not just some Hong Kong kung fu flick, it is supposed to be THE kung fu flick (not hong kong cuz its directed by a Taiwanese who also directed the Ice Storm, go fig.). But really, was Highlander: end game really that great of a movie, i mean compared to the original highlander (i haven't seen it, so I can't say, but it looked pretty weak to me).

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

No, Endgame wasn't that great, but Harry didn't just blast Endgame -- he blasted the entire "Highlander" franchise -- movies, TV series, etc. Okay, the movies sucked with the exception of #1, but he didn't even SEE a single ep of the series (by his own admission), and he declared it sucky! The hell is that shit about?

And I don't think I'd try and compare two movies together -- Harry apparently hadn't SEEN Hidden Tiger/Crouching Dragon when he posted his review, yet he still compared them. The fuck?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

"Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" was the opening movie on this years "Stockholms Filmfestival". Ang Lee was here himself and said some words before cutting the ribbon, it was great.
I can seriously recommend it, it's not at all a "Kung-fu flick", the awesome fight-scenes are very carefully woven into the story. The plot is not, I repeat NOT, subordinate to the battles.

It's incredibly beautifully shot, with all the best sceneries China has to offer; eden-like gardens, dry steppes, snowy mountains, dripping caves, bilowing bamboo-woods.

And for once the female aspect of the chinese martial arts is put at its peak with two wonderful actresses, plus all the swords, polearms and sticks you didn't even know existed aside from nunchakus.

And it has the most imaginative use of nylon strings I've ever seen...

About the topic, am I to understand that the ST:I SE isn't done yet? That image is great, I can't wait to see what V'Ger's insides look like!

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

Yeah, that Knowles guy looks pretty creepy too.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well, Liam, what I mean was that Paramount are the money-hungry pricks that they are... have released a DVD line with no 'goodies' and will then release them all again WITH the goodies - of course this'll mean cut footage - but Wrath and Voyage Home have the most well known cut sequences... well Wrath does.

Andrew

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

No more or no less so than any other studio.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

I only now got to reading this thread and the review. I must say I'm impressed. What ST:TMP always held IMHO was promise, and elbow room. Unlike the tightly wound ST2 or the less character- but more plot-driven ST3 and 6, which all represented "success through focus", TMP, ST4 and ST5 strove for "success through imagination". There was little focus on any aspect of characters or plot in these latter three, but there was lots of "concept", lots of "playground" to be filled by the imagination of the audience.

Despite visiting a couple of exotic locations, ST2, 3 and 6 were bottle shows centering on the known. All the locations outside the Enterprise were essential for the plot. In contrast, TMP and ST4 showed little starship interiors when compared with the "superfluous" exteriors. We didn't need to see Golden Gate or the kaleidoscopic V'Ger forcefields, nor a punk in a bus with a sonic weapon and an attitude. We saw them nevertheless. That made it feel as if we were actually *living* in this environment, not just walking through it in pursuit of a plot.

And TMP and ST4 showed us a Starfleet, with ships other than the Enterprise (even if they always dropped the ball), with an organization which supported Kirk instead of one which Kirk would have had to fight.

IMHO the DC of TMP is going to enhance on these very aspects. Wider vistas, more milieu and ambience and feel, more elbow room for thought. "Eye candy", it's called by some. Well, my eye has a sweet tooth. And I prefer eye candy where things are *built* instead of destroyed. The very act of enhancing TMP is an act of building something, enlarging the Trek universe somehow. I don't care if the editing is tighter now or not, I want to see all the goodies I missed, all the unessential things like Vulcan landscapes or Enterprise viewports or close-ups of Spock showing emotion.

Heck, I *am* going to buy a DVD player for this!

Timo Saloniemi