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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

This is the only place I can think to post this. My wife and I were watching that episode of Star Trek (TOS, by the way), and noticed something odd. Kirk's headstone for his grave said "James R. Kirk"

Has anyone noticed that? We all know that he refers to himself as "James T. Kirk" and we know that T stands for Tiberius. But what's with the continuity error, or am I just being too picky?

If you haven't seen it, see it for yourself. It really does say "R"

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Posted by spyone on :

One of the more famous errors. However, many people prefer to blame the guy who made the stone (within the context of the episode) rather than the people who made the episode.
go figure.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

It's also possible that Kirk didn't like the name "Tiberius," and told everyone his middle name was Robert for a while.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Klingon cruiser, this is Bobby Kirk here, captain of the Enterprise. State youraaaahh!!! Shields! Shields, damn you!! *KABOOM*

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

IIRC, "Where No Man..." was one of the first TOS episodes made with Kirk & Co, had they even established he was James T yet?

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

IIRC the first mentioning of Tiberius was in ST:TUC.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Yeah, but I think they established the middle initial as "T" during the series sometime

Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :

James Robert Kirk? James RUPERT Kirk, now that would be funny. Definitely not the sort of name you'd let your enemy know about.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

There's an unofficial (but kind of neat) explanation for the "R" in the "Brother's Keeper" trilogy from Pocket books, "R" standing for a nickname in-joke between Kirk and Gary Mitchell from their Academy days.

I forget just what the R stands for, though.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

WNMHGB was the first episode w/ Kirk. That's why they hadn't come up w/ the 'T' yet. So, technically, 'R' was his originally established middle initial, and the 'T' was the continuity error. It just happens to be the one that stuck.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I seem to remember that at that time, Gene actually DID have his name down as James Robert Kirk. He just forgot when it came to a later episode, or the writer wasn't nitpicky enough to have checked every frame of the pilot, and just used "T" because it sounded better.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Middle names starting with the letter T are a Roddenberry trademark, of course.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

James T. Kirk
William T. Riker

Anyone else, 'cuz I can think of any ...

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

L's are used often as well:

B'Ellana L. Torres
Benjamin L. Sisko

Also both the names Eugene (Thomas Eugene Paris) and Wesley had to be used as well.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Since when does twice constitute often?

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Plus, I doubt that in Sisko and Torres' original character write-ups, they even had middle initials. They were most likely added a few years down the road.

There is a reason that Eugene and Wesley have been reused. But the only man who knows why is Gene Wesley Roddenberry, so I doubt we'll ever know now.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

And the 'T' one is bullshit too. Riker got a 'T' initial in homage to Kirk.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

To think if Picard never would've existed, and Riker was a modern Kirk.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I think Sol was talking about earlier Roddenberry series, actually.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Yes. Though I'll be damned if I can find any references at all to middle names in The Lieutenant or Questor or Genesis II in order to back me up.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Remember Nomad mistook, Captain James R Kirk for Jackson Roykirk - its creator.

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