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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

As you might know, I am currenty working on a list of all Federation members (100 and counting).
I need some info/pics regarding the following:

Xenexians
?? Where are these aliens from (episode)?

Ktaria
What do I do with Ktaria? They tried to take over the UFP, but OTOH their culture is a popular one in ST, as seen by the festivals and trade, and Wildman had a daughter with a Ktarian

RPGs
Can we accept some RPG info regarding 'rare aliens' as sem-canon? It is unlikely we'll ever see them again...

Gamelan V ("Final Mission" [TNG])
I conjecture this is a member, since Tessen III and Atrea were members as well, and this is almost the same situation (planet asking for E's help).
But are there any pictures of Chairman Songi?

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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Xenexians
?? Where are these aliens from (episode)?

They are from Peter David's New Frontier books.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

It could have been rogue Katarians (like those rogue Andorians that are out there)

Maybe there is a slight spelling difference between the "The Game" Katarians and the Katarians that have little cranial spikes like Naiomi.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Ok, so I'll ditch the Xenexians.

Another one: The Aurelians from TAS.
Curt Danhauser's site hasn� listed them under 'Lifeforms', so from which episode are they?

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Aurelia is the home for those Giant bird men. In TAS episode "Yesteryear" there's a Aurelian historian named Aleek-Om at the Guardian of Forever.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Some other points of interest:

Protectorates vs. Members
Should I include the Evora in this list of members? They were invited to become a protectorate. Do you reckon protectorates have Council seats?
And what should I do with the Son'a, Ba'ku, Tarlac and Ellora?

Rigel
Which (if any) of the twelve planets is a member of the Federation?

Tanuga
Is Dr. Apgar (who tried to kill Riker by killing himself) of a Federation race? His people have justice system bases on "guilty until proven innocent".

Kaelon
Is Timicin's race a member? The Kaelon do commit suicide when 60 years.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Rigelian memberships are up to your personal choice. We have seen that VII has aggressive bronze-age warriors, but that doesn't mean the whole planet's like that, or that the Feds wouldn't approve. We know XII is an uninhabited hellhole with indie Fed miners on it, so during TOS it may not be a member but sure isn't member of any competing empire, either. And V has Vulcanoid populance, and II has good shore leave facilities, but little else is known of them. Not much canon to go by here.

As for Tanuga and Kaelon... "Guilty until proven innocent" is actually a well-accepted part of the Napoleonic code, and a popular way to do justice in today's civilized countries. And mandatory suicide at 60 doesn't sound much worse than mandatory duels to death every seven years, yet Vulcan is an acclaimed UFP member.

It seems that you have to have *very* strong reasons to exclude a culture from membership. And it may not be worth the trouble, since the 150-member canonical quota isn't filling up too fast yet.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Well, including Kealon, Rigel and Tanuga, I have counted 102 members. Only 48 to go!

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Timo: Duels to the death aren't mandatory every seven years. That only happens when there's a challenge. I'm sure most Vulcans just do the "horizontal mind-meld" every seven years w/o any fighting involved...

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

I just concluded that I will not include Kaelon.
The Encyclopedia says that Kaelon had finally asked the Federation for help. Furthermore, Kaelon had it's own fleet of 'Kaelon warships'.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Did we include the Race that hates manners... and insults people from "Coming of Age"?

Does Data or the Soong-type androids count as (a) separate member(s)

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

My definition for member:
A member has at least one seat in the Federation Counsil.

Data would not be a member, since he is basically not a political entity. Actually, it's not the races that count, but the planets. (I guess)

The CoA alien was a Zaldan, and yes, he is included.

Sneak preview; http://fleetyard.virtualave.net/articles/ufpmembers.html
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Just a couple points... Jaresh-Inyo is not the current president, and Data's "mother" was human (okay, an android, but the original was a human).

BTW, does anyone else have a problem in Netscape (4.76, at any rate), where the regular text is black (and thus invisible) and the list of races at the beginning is really tiny? It seems to look fine in IE and NS6...

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

it is because of the DIV tags in it, making the text small to NS, remove those an it should be multi-broswer friendly.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, I looked into his cascading style sheet. The font for the "small" class is set to size "xx-small". IE and NS6 interpret this as something readable. Apparently, though, NS4.7 considers "xx-small" to be a wee bit tinier than is readable (for me, anyway) on a 17" monitor at 1024x768. :-)

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Not much better at 800x600....

Dang, and 1280x1024 is really bad.... it's giving me a headache... Everything is soooooo tiny.....
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I'd be careful about saying someone's race is a member of the Federation just because a member of that race is in Starfleet.

Worf is in Starfleet, but Klingon are not members of the Federation, for example.

Lt Ro, Ensign Sito -- Bajoran Starfleet officers. Bajor isn't a member of the Federation.

I forget which TNG episode it was, but Picard or Data said that there were several Starfleet officers on the Enterprise whose races were not Federation members.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

This site reminds me of the Tal Shiar Cartographic Survey. Hmm. Nice.

Sol, you still have any material from that which could help them?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I do! I was just thinking about this the other day, in fact. However, all the stuff I worked on was about the Delta Quadrant. Ocampa, Kazon, etc. So as far as this project goes, it wouldn't be of much help. Still, we should talk about this someday soon.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

*has a nostalgia attack*

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Who says Jaresh-Inyo isn't still president?

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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Who says Jaresh-Inyo isn't still president?

Bashir in "DS9 Extreme Measures".

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

They never said it was Jaresh-Inyo specifically. They only said "the former president."

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

The Arken II fellow, from Star Trek IV... where is the head support? that black thing? I assumed that to be some sort of communications device... or maybe headwear... for the stylish Arkenite

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Oh, great.
Thank all heavens for letting Microsoft decide on standardization.

On the case of HTML and CSS:
I have changed "xx-small" into "75%". I hope Netscape can handle *this*. If not, I'll have to think of something else. And I understand Netscape doesn't do DIVs? Seems like this CSS thing is not quite standard yet.

On the project:

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I'd be careful about saying someone's race is a member of the Federation just because a member of that race is in Starfleet.{JeffKarrde}

I *am* careful about that. That's why I divided the aliens into three categories. People can make their own choice. Category 2 is therefore called "Very Likely Candidates".

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The Arken II fellow, from Star Trek IV... where is the head support? that black thing? I assumed that to be some sort of communications device... or maybe headwear... for the stylish Arkenite{AndrewR}

I actually got that information from Bohn's site, and I believe he got most of his info from the RPGs, so there is no canon information about it.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

The FASA ST4 supplement stated that it was a balance device, that there was a natural equilibrium on Arken, but when they went offworld, they got all fucked up...like if we had our inner ear go all wonky. So the headband was an "equilibrium restoration device" of sorts.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

The small print looks better now. But most of the text is still black.

And, last time I checked, Netscape handled DIV tags just fine. They work on your page, anyway. If they didn't, there wouldn't have been that "xx-small" problem in the first place.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

MS = SUCKS!!!

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Tanuga

I just watched this episode again. I think it could go either way -- there's no deffinite answer to if they are or aren't Federation members, they could just be close trading parters like the Rutians.

Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Christ, one Ritten was bad enough, now we've to contend with RittenRitten, a powered-up version that morphed after coming in contact with Ash's Terragen Mists - With 39 points of articulation and spring-loaded "missile" launcher!!

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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.

"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"

Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

Prakesh
Additional information about the inhabitants of Deneb IV.

I obtained this information from the historical files of Gary Mitchell in "Where No Man Has Gone Before". The inhabitants of Deneb IV have telepathy.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

The inhabitants we saw in "Encounter at Farpoint" certainly didn't appear very telepathic. We could apply three explanations:

1) Perhaps the Bandi really are telepathic, but only amongst themselves - like the Cairn of "Dark Page". We didn't really see any of them speaking to each other, now did we? This is the most interesting of the explanations IMHO.

2) Perhaps only a few of the Bandi are telepathic, and no such individuals were seen, but enough of them do exist to earn them a mention in Federation records - just like Dehner and Mitchell displayed psi-abilities even though Trek humans in general do not.

3) Perhaps we're talking about different Denebs here. Would also help with the distance problem. The telepaths could be living on Deneb IV thousands of ly away, while the Bandi could be living on Deneb Kaitos IV just a couple of dozen ly away from Earth.

Hmm. If we choose to believe in those "WNMHGB" records, then it seems Gary Mitchell made Lt.Cmdr at the tender age of 23. I guess having telepathic skills doesn't exactly slow down your career development...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I don't think Gary Mitchell actually had TELEPATHY... just that his ESP rating was high... that he along with the Doctor lady... Barabra Kellerman... what was the character... were more 'in tune' or more 'susceptible' to ESP-type things.

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Considering what the writers of Voyager have done to the Ktarians, it is almost safe to say there are two races with (almost) the same name:

1. Ktarians from Ktaria VII, non-members, looking like in "The Game"
2. Ktarians from Katurus (Caturus?), members, looking mostly like Naomi

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

What have the Voyager writers done to the race, really? I guess it's possible there are two different races there by the same name, but IMHO it's also possible there is just a single race that has two facial structures (perhaps gender-related, perhaps age-related).

The other differences between TNG-Ktarians and Voyager-Ktarians don't seem to be so significant - it's not as if "The Game" or "The Chase" said Ktarians *don't* have music festivals, or as if Voyager said Ktarians *do* like mysteries after all. That is, there are no explicit contradictions. Or are there?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

On that note, what about all the different races with the name "Terellian?" That word seems to be the running joke in Star Trek whenever some alien race of the week pops up.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Tellurian
Tellerian
Talarian
Telarian

All very original, IMNSHO.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

No, he's referring to the Tarellians, Terellians, and Terrellians.

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

On that, I just assume the writers spelled it differently three times, but that it is actually the same thing.

There is also the A*osian thing that seems to be very popular.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

No, the Tarellians were the plague-infested people that tried to land on Haven, and Troi's fiacné went to live on their ship. Terellians have four arms.

Terrellians don't really have any distinct characteristics known. They could be the same as the four-armers...

Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Coolest name ever for an alien race:

The Nahydren

- really rolls of the tongue, and it actually sounds different than the usual barrage of -ians/-ites/-ons/-etc.

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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.

"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I've always been rather partial to the name "Tzenkethi", myself...

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

My favorites include the Sheliak, the Reegrunion and the Skreea.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Not to forget the Nauseaans, er, Nausicaans.

Anybody remember fondly the days when species names contained silly if indirect references to the appearance of the species? Vendorians for a race that changes its appearance - Phylosians for intelligent plants - Argosians for underwater dwellers. I wonder if the Universal Translator has a "weird humor subroutine" for inventing these semi-translated names?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

When I see a reference to the Clthulhu - THEN I'll start to worry.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Timo: Okay, that Argosian bit sort of makes sense, but I don't get the other two. And, unfortunately, the name "Argosian" has already been used on Trek, and they don't live underwater.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Not to worry, as the water people weren't Argosians but rathere Argoans. This is akin to the Edo in TNG "Justice" & Mr. Arex the Edoan.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Phylosians = Phlya? Pushing things a bit...

Where were they seen, anyway?

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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.

"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

"Broken Link" (DS9): Garak cared for Edosian orchids at the Embassy (was it the Romulan Embassy on Cardassia or the Cardassian Embassy on Romulus?)

And BTW, the 'Argosians' were simply called Aquatians in that TAS episode, according to the Concordance.
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