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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

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In my mind, the most damning piece of writing ever seen during some 20-years of Trek took place in Janeway's office(?) during the end of the episode "Friendship One".

Janeway and Chkotay (however it's spelled) are bemoaning the death of Carey, and Janeway sums up her "pioneer spirit" in a statement which in effect states that one life is too much to sacrifice to the process of exploration.

WHAT!!!

(multiple expletives).
I doubt that Carey thought so when joining Starfleet.
I didn't think Starfleet officers were guaranteed the right to die in bed. Kirk, Spock and Picard didn't seem to think so - nor did Sisko. Heroes all - placing the needs of the many before the needs of the few (or the one).

Janeway once told Kim: "Wierd is part of the job". I thought danger was too.

I do hope this isn't indicative of the new philosophy we are going to run into during ST5. I wouldn't watch.

To me, Star Trek has always been summed-up by "To boldly go where no man has gone before". Boldly denotes courage - the willingness to take a calculated risk for a percieved good cause. Not the risk of a broken nail - but death itself.

I don't know who wrote that line - but fire the writer.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Maybe it just indicates that Janeway and Carey were ... um ... close, and Janeway's personal feelings blinded her to the "greater good."

Ben didn't seem all that happy after Jen's death, I might point out.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Jen wasn't Starfleet, though.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Point.

I'm sure every Starfleet captain debates exploration v. life when someone dies. When Yar died ... when Jadzia died ... the price hits you like a ton of bricks.

Of course, the other arguement is that this proves Janeway doesn't deserve command ... HAH!

Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

I think that is where I was headed - but the remark doesn't seem true to the character. I think it was one of the worst lines written in trek history, along with: "His brain is gone, Jim".

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Personally, I think you're overreacting, but I won't deny that it's a valid overreaction. If that makes any sense.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Just because she said a live too much for exploration means its the end. A single live is too much for anything. Generally you try to avoid ANY lives being lost if its possible, and you will go the hard way if you have to. Here's a question imagine one of close ones die for no apparent reason. How would you feel afterwards?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, I think the point is that her statement is just like saying "Oops! Someone's died! Guess we'd better make sure people stay on Earth forever and never go into space again."

If exploration isn't enough to lose even one life, we should have destroyed the space program after Apollo 1. That was three lives!

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

I remember at least ONE Starfleet Captain angrily asserting "risk IS out business... That's what this ship is for... That's why we're aboard her..."

--Jonah

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

i think Janeway's a bitch. End of discussion.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Nah, she just bitches but she's definately not a bitch.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

I don't remember who said it, but some philosopher or writer said something about a specific great work of literature being worth the lives of any number of old ladies. Does anyone remember the arrogant bastard who said this? (I don't agree with this sentiment, by the way.)

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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

TSN and Peregrinus:
Thanks - you got it.

"To boldly go..."

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

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