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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,11,16,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 11, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Okay, a minor nitpicking here:<P>In Voyager's episode 'Homestead' they selebrate 'First Contact day'. Fine by me! But they are selebrating in one of the final episodes of the season, meaning near the end of a year. But wasn't First Contact made in April???<P>------------------<BR>"We have a good arrangement. He supplies the weapons, I use them."<BR>- Blade<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,11,17,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 11, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Agghhh...no!! Not a continuity error in Voyager! Say it's not so!!<P>------------------<BR>"Let me ask you something, Mr. Garibaldi, a purely philosophical question. On a scale of 1 to 10, how stupid do you think I am anyway?" - Bester<BR><A HREF="http://thefsd.tripod.com" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A>: Brand new look, fresh minty scent, same great taste! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,11,18,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 11, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:10 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Just because it's the end of the season, doesn't mean it's the end of the year. But, we now have a definite year for VGR: 2378.<P>------------------<BR>"Of course I'm paranoid! Everyone's trying to kill me."<BR>- Weyoun, "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,11,18,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 11, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Was that ever really in doubt? We know the initial stardate when Voyager was lost..<P>Mark<P>------------------<BR>"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"<P>- Carl Sagan, "Contact"<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>colin</b> <br /><small>Member # 217</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,11,22,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 11, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Voyager has succeeded twice in one endeavor in the seventh season-they have frelled Okuda's Chronology.<P>First, the episode places the end of TOS in 2270.<P>Second, the question of the stardate year. Okuda assumed that stardates start in January and end in December-an Earth year. Now, we see definitive proof that the stardate year is from late summer of the last year to the late summer of the next year. (There are indications of this in earlier episodes of Star Trek, but nothing definitive.)<P>I wouldn't be surprised if Okuda's work is frelled further in the next series.<P><BR>------------------<P>takeoffs are optional; landings are mandatory<BR><p>[This message has been edited by targetemployee (edited May 11, 2001).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Teelie</b> <br /><small>Member # 280</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,12,4,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:41 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> All of Trek is pretty much frelled now....<P>------------------<BR>�<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> <br /><small>Member # 38</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,12,4,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Christ almighty! The chronology has been compromised! Quick, Mr. President, to your bunker...<P>------------------<BR>"And as it is, it is cheaper than drinking."<BR>-DT on arguing with Omega, April 30<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,12,17,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:33 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Could've been worse. They could've compromised our cookies...<P>------------------<BR>Lister: "Cat, what are you doing?"<BR>Cat: "I'm courting."<BR>Lister: "Courting who?"<BR>Cat: "Whoever shows up!"<BR>-<I>Red Dwarf</I>, "Me�" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Teelie</b> <br /><small>Member # 280</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,12,19,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Speak for yourself, mine have been, arrrrgh!!!<P>------------------<BR>�<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Soontir_Fel</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,12,21,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> He's dead, Jim.<P>Oh, and so are you...<P>------------------<BR>"Asteroids do not concern me, Admrial. I want that ship, not excuses."<P>-Lord Darth Vader (Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back)<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>warbird5</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,13,15,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 13, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:23 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Not your cookies!!! Anything but them. Say it isn't so. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,4,14,2,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 14, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Before we all go into panic, let's remember that Okuda has been quite willing to correct his own writings in the past, when confronted with good-speculation-disproven-by-introduction-of-new-stupid-facts. He toned down the absoluteness of timing of TMP for the second chronology, admitting it was speculative - just in time to make Icheb's line of Kirk's mission ending in 2270 NOT contrary to it.<P>I bet he'd be willing to rework the chronology based on the new evidence if it was affordable from the Pocket Books point of view. I doubt it is, though. But if SDXX000.0 indeed falls on late summer, then a lot of references make better sense:<P>-"Charlie X" and the relative positioning of Thanksgiving within the first TOS season (even though at this point, stardates aren't informative yet, this sets a precedent for the proper "seasons vs. dating" correspondence)<BR>-The summerly climate of LaBarre, France, in the beginning of the fourth season and SD cycle of TNG. (the position of Orion seemed winterly, though, in the closing shot)<BR>-The celebration of Christmas apparently being foremost in Picard's mind in "Generations"<BR>-The celebration of Christmas apparently being in the very recent past in mid-season TOS "Dagger of the Mind"<BR>-etc. etc.<P>Are there any explicit contradictions of this in the canon material?<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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