MAN, this music rocks. I've checked out the 30th anniversary CD from the library, and the best track on the whole CD is the overture from "The Inner Light". I'm ripping this one. Gotta get my band to play it...
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
I just want Michael Kamen's "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" overture.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I've got that tape!
Yah...the Inner Light was a good episode all around. Very well acted and scored.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The Inner Light is one of the one and a half episodes of TNG I've never seen for some reason.
The half is the first half of "Lonely Amoung Us", and after watching the second half, I'm not that desperate to see the first part.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I haven't seen "The High Ground." BBC aren't allowed to show it unless some Irish actors re-dub the voices.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Vogon: LOL!! Why not? Does it have something to do with the terrorism theme of that episode?
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
Irish actors have to redub WHAT voices? Picard, Riker & Co. or the guest stars?
I mean, I would imagine the guest stars, but, who knows?
quote:I'm ripping this one.
Speaking o' which. Omega, weren't you the guy bitching about the evils of Napster? How are you so different from the guy who downloads songs from Napster as compared to the guy who borrows a CD from the library and, er, "steals" the track he wants? Jus' wonderin.
[ September 06, 2001: Message edited by: MeGotBeer ]
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
The reason the BBC didn't show this episode (The High Ground) is due to the single line in the episode that dealt with something in regards to submitting to the demands of terrorists, which, Data said, saw the successful reunification of Ireland in 2024 or something. Ceding to terrorism and the IRA would've been a potential hot potato with such an allegory, so the BBC decided not to show it. Sky One did though.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I get it. I figured it was probably something along those lines.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Actually, ripping is perfectly legal as long as you continue to own the CD in question. The copyright statement says you own it for noncommercial use in your home or on yoour person. If you buy the soundtrack you can rip it, listen to it on your computer, tape it to listen to in your car, burn it on a CD as a mix for your private use.
You cannot however, copy it for someone else or sell it to someone else, and this loosely includes sharing the file with someone online with or without your knowledge. And if you sell the CD you are obligated to destroy your files, tapes and copies of it or it is pirating.
But I dont do that. in the time it took me to type this i downloaded 3 songs off of Gnutella.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
There was a time in the 80's and early 90's when Sinn Fein representatives couldn't be shown speaking on air unless their voices were overdubbed by someone else, usually an Irish actor for realism's sake. I believe even Stephen Rea did the gig for a while. I can't recall what the exercise was intended to prove, though. . .
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
That's nice, Captain Mike.
Omega once made a big deal (well, not so big) about Napster being illegal. I believe it was because another member mentioned he sold burned CDs ... Omega made the point that getting music tracks without paying for them is illegal, wrong, and very un-Christian!
And yet he does it himself.
I just find it terribly amusing is all.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Omega made the point that getting music tracks without paying for them is illegal, wrong, and very un-Christian!
As you pointed out, he was selling CDs. I don't so much as have a burner, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't do that. And I never mentioned Christianity in that discussion.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
Well, but Omega, follow me here:
You borrow a CD from the library. Some corporation paid money to produce that CD, and the library paid money to buy it from them. You borrowed the CD from the library, and are adding a track to your WinAmp files (or whatever you use to play MP3's). In all "fairness", the corporation which produced the CD should be paid for you to own a copy of tracks it owns. Since you are not paying the corporation, you are stealing from it.
Now, mind you, that's not what I think. Personally, if I hear "Smooth Criminal" by Alien Ant Farm five times an hour on the radio, I don't see whats so bad about having a copy on my PC. I just didn't think that was the way you pro-Big Business Republicans saw things.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I could just as easily perpetually renew my check-out of the CD over the library system. No one ever checks it out, anyway. Would it make any difference? Under any circumstances, the only reason I want it is to experiment with making a MIDI file of it. When that's done, I'll delete it.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
So, therefore, file-swapping servers are perfectly "okay" under Omega's book. After all, since most of the tracks you can get off Napster etc. you can also listen to off the radio, what's the harm? And what's the harm in burning copies for your friends, since they can just listen to the songs anytime on the radio?
Omega, you're clearly trying to weasle yourself out of a situation that you've expressed yourself to be against. Admit that you were wrong, and you enjoy file-swapping. By ripping that CD, you're as guilty as theft as anyone you've ever accused of stealing from the record label (not, mind you, that anyone here is judgemental).
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Now, now. My objection was to his selling the CDs for profit. Downloading or ripping them is no problem in my book.
You really are desperate to catch me in some contradiction, aren't you, Jeff?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, the fact remains that what you're doing is illegal. The morality of the matter I'll agree w/ you on. But you do realize that you are, in fact, committing a crime, right?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Quite. Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
And I, of course, digger through of old forum threads, came across this gem, from this thread. And I quote Omega:
quote:1) If you create something, you alone have the right to make copies of it. 2) If someone else makes a copy of something on which you own the copyright, it is stealing.
3) Stealing is wrong.
I just like seeing Omega admit he's human is all.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Come ON, Jeff. You really are desperate. Half the experience of the song was playing it on my stereo system. On the computer, it's practically worthless. Except, of course, for seeing how desperate you are to prove me wrong on SOMETHING. I've really gotten under your skin, haven't I?
Oh, and yes: I've deleted the file. It's served its purpose.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
You yourself admitted that you stole it, Omega, or are you denying that now? Don't come crying to me about that.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Would you two ever give it a rest? This is what your ICQ diatribes are for
I mean, what is this, some nasty plan to slowly infect and take over Flare, first by clogging the Flameboard repeatedly with a needless interpersonal grudgematch and now metastisizing to all corners of the forums?
All I want to use this thread for is to say:
a)The Inner Light orchestral arrangement is indeed a truly beautiful piece of music
b)The copy to which I'm presently listening was acquired through morally murky means.
c)Oh Well.
[ September 07, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I mean, what is this, some nasty plan to slowly infect and take over Flare, first by clogging the Flameboard repeatedly with a needless interpersonal grudgematch and now metastisizing to all corners of the forums?
Sounds accurate to me. Of course, I'm just guessing, not being in on any such plan.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, regardless, I think Jeff has now rather conclusively proven his point. Omega said one thing and did another.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Could someone now please prove the point that, if we were giving out money for discussions taking place in the wrongest possible forum, Jeff K and Omega could buy Istanbul?
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Can't we just trap them between dimensions, to struggle against each other forever like Matter-Lazarus and Antimatter-Lazarus?
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
You could always lock Omega in jail for being a thief.
Muwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Oh, I'm just teasing him. Chill. Besides, he himself came right out and said it (very big of him).
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Actually, this was Jeff's fault. He lept on Omega like he was a big pack of sausages (if Jeff was really desperate for sausages). Give him a break once in a while Jeff.
Additional point:
Sky One did show the episode, but they removed the line about Ireland's reunification. I think it's still on the video release though.
Lee: Wasn't the overdubbing done to remove the immediency of their words? And also to stop us from taking them seriously (Perhaps Jerry was auditioning for the role of Cats? Does bring a new meaning to "Someone set us up the bomb.")
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Wait.. I'm confused?...
So the police knew that internal affairs was setting them up all along?!..
Sorry.. when I get bored I make up my own movie.
Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
The point I was going to make is now moot. I hate it when that happens.
[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: Obi Juan ]
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Well maybe they wouldnt be working in Buger Shacks if they still got some royalt...
ah screw it.. i have to go download more music. Its only illegal if i get caught *sigh* thats what i said before her parents caught us, too...
Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
Ah but you can't get royalties if the only your album is out of print. But I am costing those poor used records store millions! I am a bad person.
Of course this makes no sense to anyone else because I edited my orignal post.
