I know this has been discussed time and time again, but I feel it's time for an update. Here are my favorite movies, in order from best to worst.
1.(tie)First Contact --Voyage Home 2. Wrath of Khan 3. Undiscovered Country 4. Generations 5. Search for Spock 6. Motion Picture 7. Insurrection 8. Final Frontier
(Please don't scream too loud...)
[ January 28, 2002, 15:16: Message edited by: Veers ]
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I've rewatched all the movies recently so they're quite fresh in my mind.
1)First Contact 2)Wrath of Khan 3)Motion Picture (Director's Ed) 4)Voyage Home 5)Undiscovered Country 6)Generations 7)Search for Spock 8)Insurrection 9)Final Frontier
Not all that different from your order, Veers.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Lets try this again:
1) First Contact 2) Wrath of Khan 3) Voyage Home 4) Undiscovered Country 5) Generations 6) Insurrection 7) The Motion Picture 8) The Search for Spock 9) Final Frontier (yuck!)
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
Why doesn't anyone like The Search for Spock? I think it's a great movie, what with Stealing Enterprise from Space dock, Destruction of Enterprise, all the great chemistry between everyone, Horner's kick-ass score...
I don't know, the entire movie just has this 'grand' feeling, friends risking everything to bring another back from the dead, great visuals... And, if watched back to back with ST2, they form a uber-movie which puts to same even FC.
I think the problem is that unless it's ultra-fast paced with explosions and gunfire like modern movies, people just don't like it.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
1. Undiscovered Country 2. First Contact 3. Voyage Home 4. Final Frontier 5. Wrath of Khan 6. Search for Spock 7. Generations 8. Motion Picture 9. Insurrection
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
A lot of people don't like "Generations" or "Undiscovered Country," but I can't see why. Both have great special effects, they are written well, and they tie up some loose ends. Like in "Generations," they talk more about Picard's family...although they were burnt to a crisp. Soran was a great villian, and in U"ndiscovered Country," who would have thought members of Starfleet were trying to execute a coup ? They might have made for a good two-part episode on either series (TOS or TNG), but I like them how they are now as movies. Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
1.) The Motion Picture* 2.) The Undiscovered Country 3.) First Contact 4.) The Search for Spock 5.) The Wrath of Khan** 6.) The Voyage Home 7.) Insurrection 8.) Generations 9.) The Final Frontier***
* Yes, it's slow... but it, in my opinion, is by far the movie with the best feeling of realism, and one of few that has a bona-fide science fiction plot.
** I thought The Search for Spock was much more "Trek" than The Wrath of Khan. Khan lacked any real depth, aside from Spock's death. Ooh, the bad guy's pissed at the good guy, what a shock. On the other hand, if I based my ratings on pure first-viewing fun, Khan would be number one. For what it's worth, a pure-fun list would go Khan, Voyage Home, First Contact, Undiscovered Country, Insurrection, Search for Spock, Generations, Motion Picture, Final Frontier.
*** If rewritten and executed better, The Final Frontier could have been near the top. I don't think we need to discuss what I mean.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
10. The Final Frontier 09. Insurrection 08. The Search for Spock 07. The Voyage Home 06. The Motion Picture (The Director's Edition) 05. The Undiscovered Country 04. Generations 03. The Wrath of Khan 02. First Contact 01. Nemesis
*note: order can and probably will change in the future*
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
The films in the order I'd watch them, and why:
1. The Motion Picture DE -- Its flaws are many, but it's a movie as opposed to a TV episode masquerading as one.
2. The Undicovered County -- A nice change of pace utilizing a "whodunnit" approach. Great opening. Great climax (even if it steals wholesale from "The Manchurian Candidate"). Key problems are some out-of-character characterizations, a mystery that is no surprise at all, and out of left field literary quotes that don't really fit.
3. The Voyage Home -- Mostly harmless. A fun diversion.
4. The Wrath of Khan -- A fun film, but overrated. Feels like a TV movie of the week. Its pretensions at depth are to make allusions to literature rather than itself having something memorable to say. I find myself fast-forwarding through the scenery-chewing parts.
5. First Contact -- A good concept and nice dramatic tension somewhat undermined by out of place "humor". Suffers from the three-times-too-long anticlimax that typifies a lot of Trek films.
6. The Search for Spock -- Nice idea marred by some of the dumbest science ever seen in Star Trek and the flattest cinematography in the series.
7. The Final Frontier -- Very bad script, and Shatner's not just hammy, he's a pork dinner...but his direction's really not bad. Has a real sense of energy. Some nice cinematography is nullified by some beyond awful special effects.
8. Generations -- Weak script, unevenly paced, and shoots its wad at the end of act two instead of at the finale.
9. Insurrection -- A flat out bad script that feels like a committee decision, adolescent humor, and weak direction. I suffered through it once in a theater and will never ever watch it again.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I remember seeing Insurrection on opening day. I was waiting all day because I thought it was going to be awesome (I was just getting into Trek). After I saw it, I said, "That was good, but not as good as First Contact." Then I saw it again and thought, "This sucks. This is crap."
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Having never seen TSFS (the horrors!) nor all of TVH (again, I see your shocked expressions) nor the TMP:DE (well, this is forgiveable, no?) my list will be abbreviated. Please don't revoke my Trekkie license.
1)TWOK. Oh, it's hardly true to TOS all right, and I'll agree that Harve Bennett is incredibly overrated and worshipped by fanboys who like their Trek with military spit-and-polish and no-smoking signs on facilities. But it's the only film that can truly be considered a classic. It's the only film that I love just as much no matter how often I watch it. Very few hours of Trek hold up this well on repeated viewing.
2)First Contact: When I saw it in theatres, I was blown away. I loved loved loved this film. Easily my number one. But I can't say time has been so kind to it, and after rewatching it two or three more times, the really rapid pacing has had a nasty habit of making the movie just fly by without drawing you in. Strong script, strong score, strong acting, and overall an exceptional portrayal of the characters we know and love. Could have been half an hour longer.
3)TUC: Decent political thriller and not an enormously short movie or anything, but it still does a spotty job at bringing us back into the fold with the characters we love; the Enterprise "family" could have been more up front and centre than it ended up being. Much as I love Christopher Plummer, Chang is a pretty lousy character, and the Shakespeare stuff is a little roughly-inserted. Shatner and Kelley are outstanding, though. In many ways, it's a movie about Kirk through the eyes of McCoy. *feels himself lapse into an Eberty vibe and stops*
4)Insurrection: Terribly underrated, but still disappointing. I walked out of the film feeling (a)cheated that it was all over-and-done-with so quickly but (b)nursing a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart because it was just so damn nice to see the TNG cast back together again. The jokes didn't strike me as as bad as they're made out to be online, nor did the VFX. And take-or-leave the Ba'ku storyline, it's still miles better than TFF.
5)Generations: Yuck. Has its bright spots, but ultimately it's two lousy villains, a lousily pulled-off Enterprise destruction and a lousily pulled-off Kirkdeath. It's a rushjob and it shows. Moore and Braga knew better.
6)TMP (non-DE): Yes. Boring. Yes. Boring.
7)TFF: I won't begin to open the "it had potential" debate because it did. But the VFX alone are bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the Uhura song number is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the reuse of TNG sets is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the pathetic finale is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the whole "I-feel-your-pain-cult" is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. I feel really sorry for Shatner having to live with this, because most of the problems weren't honestly his fault. But sympathy won't raise this any higher.
[ January 27, 2002, 18:37: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Augh! You guys cant get it right... (jk)
its
01) Probably Nemesis 02) First Contact 03) The Undiscovered Country 04) The Voyage Home 05) The Final Frontier (you heard right...) 06) Insurrection 07) Generations 08) The Wrath of Kahn and The Search for Spock (this is basicly one long movie to me) 09) The Motion Picture (i have yet to see the directors cut, however)
PS: This list re-arranges itself every time I see them again. I dont know why, but my tastes change EVERY time.
[ January 28, 2002, 05:10: Message edited by: Proteus ]
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Why is this thread called "Favourite Movie?" I mean, surely "All Trek Movies Rated in Order" or something? The title suggests one would be expected to pick, well, ONE film, but nooo, that's not going to happen around here. . .
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Also, two people have put Nemesis at the top of their list. Call me old fashioned, but isn't it traditional to, y'know, watch a film before deceiding how good it will be?
Ryan: "It has a good feeling or realism and has a real sci-plot" do not count as making a movie good. This isn't 2001. And no matter for all it's (arguable) depth, watching TMP is about as much fun as being constipated. At least TFF has some energy. TMP is the closest I've ever come to knowing what ME sufferers feel like.
Tom: "And the reuse of TNG sets is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list."
And yet you had TUC at number 3?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
*changes thread title* You happy now, Vogon Poet? Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
*snarl*
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
What's that I heard? Was someone dissing the GREATEST FILM EVER MADE (IMSNHO)? Perhaps someone who placed both "The Motion Picture" and "The Undiscovered Country" unforgivably ahead of it? Does someone need some smack-down? You will kneel before TWOK as it is your master.
quote: Its pretensions at depth are to make allusions to literature rather than itself having something memorable to say.
You did put The Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country first, did you not? Allright. I just wanted to make sure. For whatever reason I can't get the image of an eye-patched Chris Plummer spinning around in his chair melodramatically spouting Shakespeare.
For the sake of the children I won't go the various reasons, but suffice it to say that you are obviously mistaken
my list: 1) The Wrath Of Khan 2) The Voyage Home 3) The Search For Spock 4) First Contact 5) The Motion Picture 6) The Undiscovered Country
I won't bother sorting the rest.
[ January 28, 2002, 19:15: Message edited by: Balaam Xumucane ]
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: You did put The Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country first, did you not? Allright. I just wanted to make sure. For whatever reason I can't get the image of an eye-patched Chris Plummer spinning around in his chair melodramatically spouting Shakespeare.
And "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" is better? Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You also dislike TMP, but have still put it ahead of TUC, which is a...unique viewpoint to say the least.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
TWOK? The Greatest Film Ever Made?
[Falls off chair laughing hysterically]
Oh man, that was a good one.
[wipes tears from eyes] Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
It is the best of this particular bunch.
*prove me wrong, Nemesis* *chuckles*
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
The other day, someone over at uk.media.tv.sf.farscape expressed an opinion that over time, First Contact's flash-bang high-action quotient has tended to date it a bit, while the simpler story and more personal tone of Insurrection has kept it fresh. I'm almost inclined to agree. . .
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
It's just that TUC is so derrivative. It is so obviously trying to be as interesting as TWOK and so obviously never getting there. A good point of comparison would be the 'bad-guys'. Where General Chang is motivated by powerlust and greed, the superhuman Khan once bested by Kirk has been stewing in the wicked environment of Ceti Alpha Five for fifteen grueling years, watching his wife die a torturous death as the Ceti Eel squeezed the life from her cerebral cortex. Like a pacing lion in his cage, Khan is finally given the opportunity to strike and he takes it swiftly and viciously. Where it was easy to hate Chang, the irresistably cunning Khan made that much more difficult because we could sense his anguish. In TWOK Kirk is an aging hero trying to come to grips with the loss of his youth. He says he feels tired and worn out; the vicious and relentless Khan is attempting to kill him; his own son thinks he's an absurd and failing caricature, but rather than succumbing to these pressures and self-doubts, he re-invents himself into a hero once more. TUC lacks this kind of internal struggle. TUC might have had some more impressive-looking vfx sequences, however the still- impressive scenes in TWOK are absolutely riveting as we watch these two old enemies square off in a vicious pit-fight. In their initial clash, Kirk's huge tactical blunder nearly gets his entire crew vaporized in the process, but it's a come from behind victory as the wounded Enterprise manages to cheat (a common theme in the film) death to trick Reliant to drop her shields and turn the lopsided contest into a fighting chance to survive. In TUC, we have Capt. Sulu coming to the rescue, and while George Takei's presence is always welcome and the scenario is probably more realistic, it just doesn't have the same thematic resonance (and speaking for myself, I don't go to the movies for realism). I mean this isn't even getting into the selfless sacrifice of Spock, Kirk's longtime friend and companion, suddenly dead so that Kirk can once again escape death. Here's a character we've watched and loved for decades, now dead because his omnipresent logic dictated that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. You show me where TUC can even touch the emotional impact of that and maybe we can talk. It's my opinion that TUC is but a shadowy reflection of TWOK, and I earnestly believe that.
[ January 29, 2002, 22:43: Message edited by: Balaam Xumucane ]
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Not to mention that in TWOK, airbody knew what their jobs where & how t'do them right. In TUC, the senior staff--25-year space veterans & legends in their own time--were shown to be little more than players in the Little Yellow Bus production of "Space Cadet." Spock had all the answers..no one else?
Chekov was chief of security at one point & presumably 2nd or 3rd officer then; he didn't know alarms would go off when a phaser was fired? (where DID those alarms go in TNG, ANyway?) He was first officer on Reliant & he didn't think of this shit? Perhaps his sideburn glue seeped through his skin.
Uhura--head of an entire communications department of a starship--didn't know how to speak Klingon, even after dealing with them for 25 years AND being around when they ripped apart one of their ships? If I was trying to penetrate an enemy boarder & was hailed by a listening post, I'd DAMN sure better use better syntax than that of a Bulgarian immigrant with a 1st-grade education.
And when did Scotty stop being the doubting Thomas he was in TOS & start being the ships, version of the fat agreeably gullible drunken sweaty bastard people only invite over for mandatory family functions? Perhaps it's tim to stop upgrading the donut replicator & start fixing the ginko biloba machine.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm pleased this has gone beyond the usual 1, 2, 3 rankings, which really don't tell anyone anything.
Posted by thoughtcriminal84 (Member # 480) on :
I liked TWOK much better. It's the only trek film I've seen multiple times, in fact.
I know it's flawed, but even so, it was the last movie I ever saw at a drive-in theatre, and it kicked ass.
and even now, when Kirk emotes:
"Hours, instead of days. Now we have Minutes instead of hours..."
I get goosebumps. It's such a cheesy line, and yet...I love it. what can I say?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Why is it cheesy?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Because its a dairy product.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Funny, I was going to say "because it's covered with flavored mold"...
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
But then the question becomes "how do you know its flavored?" And I think that would put you in the undesireable position of having to admit you like to eat mold.
Posted by thoughtcriminal84 (Member # 480) on :
it's a cheesy line for the same reason most movie lines are cheesy: It was the perfect thing to say at the moment.
Or, at least that's what my friend says. It made sense when he told me, anyway. Less so now, but I digress.
what's your favorite line from a trek film?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I have several: "You green-blooded Vulcan half-breed..." "Double dumb-ass on you!" "Assimilate this!" "The line must be drawn NOW!" (Or maybe it's "here." Besides, I think it's only in the trailers, so...) And, of course: "Khaaaaannnnnnn!" Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
i thought the difference in the FC trailers/actual version was '..line must be drawn here! Here and no farther' '..line must be drawn here! This far, no farther'
but thats just my memory talking. does anyone else remember a different version of the Picard/Lily meeting.. as version where the phaser was on 1, light stun and would give Piccy a rash, and another version where he says it was on 16 and would have vaporized him. I can see how they might toy with that scene.. it lightens/darkens the moment thematically depending on which they use
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"Not anymore. Now we can do both at the same time. According to myth, the Earth was created in six days. Now watch out! Here comes Genesis. We can do it for you in six minutes!"
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
"Excuse me...um...excuse me? What does God need with a starship?"
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Have you lost all sense of reALity?!?" "Oh, this isn't reALity...this is FANtasy. You wanted some adventure, how's THIS for you? Adrenaline pumping now, hmm? Now be a GOOD boy & go sit in the CLOSET. Go on....GO on..." "I'm glad you're on OUR side..." "Can you handle, uh..." "Oh, I'll have Mr. Adventure eating out of my HAND."
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
"I'll bet that Klingon bitch killed her own father!" --Montgomery Scott
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
P: "So much for the Enterprise-E" C: "We barely knew her" P: "Think they'll build another one?" C: "Plenty of letters left in the alphabet"
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
KIRK:"Still. Old. Friend. You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target."
MCCOY:"...Suppose they went - nowhere?" KIRK:"Then this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
KRUGE:"Say the wrong thing, Torg!"
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
My list:
"Star Trek: 1. The Motion Picture" 2. First Contact" 3 (tie). IV: The Voyage Home" Insurrection" 5. II: The Wrath Of Khan" 6. Generations" 7. VI: The Undiscovered Country" 8. III: The Search For Spock" 9. V: The Final Frontier"
Regarding "Star Trek: The Motion Picture:" I share the thoughts of the few others who feel this movie is the only real science fiction Star Trek film, and the only one that was truly an epic production. As is often stated, most of the other films seem like episodes to me. While "Star Trek II" feels epic, it was filmed on the cheap in comparison the "The Motion Picture." And if one compares the productions, save for the seventies colors, "The Motion Picture" has aged much better than the next one.
Regarding "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan:" I believe we discussed how the movie could be "fatally flawed" or "the greatest movie ever made" (depending on one's viewpoint) in a post entitled "(One Of) My Problem(s) With 'Star Trek II,'" which I think was last responded to in October.
Regarding "Star Trek: Nemesis:" I agree with the already stated idea that a film must be seen to be rated. However, if I was going to rate it in comparison to the other Star Trek films, based on what I know, "Star Trek: Nemesis" would rate rather low. I actually do not know too much about the movie, and I think I know more than I want to, but the "plot twist" sounds like something out of a second-rate soap opera ( the old evil [WARNING, SPOILER AHEAD] . . . twin plot). And from a production standpoint, while a $65,000,000 budget is hardly filming it on the cheap, the amount is less than the last two Star Trek films were budgeted [as an aside, I hear the "Alaskan wedding scene" is actually being filmed against a green screen in Hollywood, and that second unit footage shot in Alaska will be composited in later, because the budget will not allow shooting on location. First of all, this does indeed sound like "filming on the cheap." Second, any fellow fan of James Bond movies will shudder with me at conceptualizing the horrors that can result when back projection or green/blue screen techniques are utilized].
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Looks like you have already got it all figured out....
Well mabye for someone who was alive in the 70's thinks the motion picture is all spectacular and good science fiction, but theres diffrent standards today. First off, you dont have to be on some drug to enjoy a movie...
From what I've heard and seen, i predict that Nemesis will be a very good movie.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Tom and Simon already got both lines that I like for "intelligent" reasons. For purely cheesy and emotional reasons though, I have to go with Spock's death, and Kirk's final log at the end of ST VI. Yeah, I know, "I have been, and always shall be...your friend" has been heard a million times, but it still got me. And obvious though it was, I get goosebumps at "This is the final voyage of the starship Enterprise under my command. This ship and her history will shortly become the care of a new crew. To them and their posterity will we commit ourselves. They will journey to all the undiscovered countries, bolding going where no man...where no one, has gone before." (Although looking at it, it really does imply that only the serior staff were getting "decommisioned", not the ship).
And it's not big, or clever in the slightest, but I have to admire the first instance of proper swearing in Star Trek. Quite frankly, when a planet's about to hit you in the face, "Oh shit" is possibly a bit understated.
"What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived. After all Number One, we're only mortal." "Speak for yourself sir. I plan to live forever."
Finally, I'm still not buying the ST:TMP is good argument. Yeah, so what if it was made for more than ST II? And so what if ST II was made on the smallest budget of all the Trek films? Since when does big budget = good? SFX should drive the plot along, or at the very least, look cool (the Enterprise-D's death was no-where near as emotional as the original Enterprise's, but it is nice to watch). The SFX in TMP are unnecessary and boring.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
Ultimately one's Star Trek film rankings are the result of one's own personal taste (or lack thereof, in the eyes of some others). I can understand why some do not rank "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" highly, and I hope they appreciate my own problems with the usual list topper, "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan." I do think, however, the first Star Trek film had the highest production values of the first seven, perhaps the highest of all, and that it shows. Of course, big budget does not equal quality, but if one likes what "The Motion Picture" is trying to be, and trying to do, then those high production values can put it at the top of one's list. Likewise, if one does not care for its story, the production values probably do not factor in to how one ranks it.
[ February 01, 2002, 09:09: Message edited by: Raw Cadet ]
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
What films are your favorites are like favorite colors or songs: it's all subjective and depends on what connects with you personally. Some people find Insurrection entertaining, some find it embarrassing. Some find TMP a good over-the counter Nytol subsitute, others get wrapped up in the imagry and the ideas. Some find TWOK a kick-ass movie, others see it as cheesball melodrama.
We're all conditioned by what we've seen before. The style of symphonic orchestrations popular in the 1930s sounds to syrupy to ears used to modern interpretations, which will not necessarily resonate with audiences 20 years hence.
Would be interesting to be able to flash forward 50 years and see what the popular critical opinion of the films are then (assuming they're remembered at all). Will some film we dismiss now be considered a classic in another time's context? ("The Final Frontier"?! NOOOOO!) Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
I was born in 1980, a year after The Motion Picture was released, and it's still my favorite. But as I said in my list post, it's my favorite overall, from a critical perspective. I don't claim that it's my favorite with regards to pure fun.
I don't think the budget or special effects have anything to do with why I like The Motion Picture, either. It's the care that was put into the movie (probably due to the Phase II planning time). With the exception of the extending-into-open-space engineering corridor, just about everything on the refit Enterprise was so thought-out and planned that it felt like a real starship in that film alone.
Under Nicholas Meyer's direction, you had realism sacrificed for the military, nautical feel. Things were added that make no sense at all, like the dilithium room and the engineering wall that cuts through the warp power shaft. By Star Trek III you've got the Excelsior and Oberth, both so poorly thought out that they are rife with inconsistency. Star Trek IV, while certainly fun, had the most contrived plot of any film (like having the crew walk up the bird's ramp after rescuing Chekov but leaving Kirk behind just so that Gillian can jump on him when he gets beamed). The characters give no consideration to protecting the past. Star Trek V is obviously flawed in the realism department.
Now, realism isn't everything. Star Trek II, for example, is a damned entertaining film. But because it didn't have that level of care, it (and all films but TMP) still feels like a two hour widescreen episode with better lighting. The worst perpetrator is Insurrection, while the least episodic (save TMP) is Star Trek VI.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
[ February 03, 2002, 10:08: Message edited by: Ryan McReynolds ]
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds: I was born in 1980, a year after The Motion Picture was released, and it's still my favorite.
What a coincidence: I was also born in 1980 and, as my list indicates, "The Motion Picture" is also my favorite Star Trek film. Some other members might start wondering what they were feeding newborn babies that year.
At any rate, an excellent defense of your number one pick.
[ February 08, 2002, 08:48: Message edited by: Raw Cadet ]
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i was born in 1980, but VI is my favorite. however, i was born on december 31st, so i didn't get fed baby food until 1981 and thus i didn't get TMP baby food additives.
--jacob
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
Well, I was not born until December 19th of 1980, but that was still apparently enough time to ingest "'The Motion Picture' baby additives [lol]" in the baby food that year.
[ February 08, 2002, 09:26: Message edited by: Raw Cadet ]
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
You are right to think there there has been some sort of chemically-based mind control agent administered to you while you were young... Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Well, for my two cents worth...
I was born in 1977 and my "first contact" with Star Trek was watching TOS when I was about six years old. From the start I really liked it and that hasn't changed a bit.
Still, now I prefer TNG and therefor my list goes as follows:
1. First Contact 2. The Undiscovered Country 3. The Voyage Home 4. The Wrath of Khan 5. Generations / The search for Spock (a tie) 6. Insurrection (I don't think it was all that bad) 7. The Final Frontier 8. The Motion Picture (any edition)
TMP in my opinion is a total sucker. Boring from start to finish. Stupid plot, horrible script, awful costume design.... I could continue forever.
TFF at least had a great soundtrack and a handful of nice scenes.
****ducks for cover****
Posted by Phycro Onyx (Member # 579) on :
1) First Contact (hell yeah the borg time travel and Zephram Cochran what couldn't you like about it) 2) Wrath of Khan (nice nebula Battle) 3) Voyage Home (just the whole idea of this movie is awesome) 4) Insurrection (nice phaser battles, but it just didnt have any kick to it you know) 5) Undiscovered Country (blood and guts destruction and sorrow) 6) Generations (the trilithium torpedo seqence is awesome, HE'S ALIVE, HE'S ALIVE) 7) The Motion Picture (V'GER Thats a big ship and perhaps of borg origin...hmm) 8) The Search for Spock (no comment) 9) Final Frontier (my "god" what were they thinking)
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
"First Contact" no doubt has one of the best-written scenes in the entire Star Trek -- the confrontation between Picard and Lily. It hits me as hard as Delenn's reaction on Dukhat's death, in "In the Beginning." "Star Trek VI" shows what you can do without much technobabble -- the detective/political plot is great, although on another viewing, I can't figure out how the Klingons missed the black tracking device on Kirk's shoulder (it's there in plain sight!).
TMP is well produced, but the script is plain boring and dramatically awful -- the only character in that movie is the Enterprise herself (the inspection scene with Goldsmith's music redefined Star Trek there and then, with the Enterprise showing off her new colors and design that would take us into the TNG era).
I like "Generations" for personal reasons -- it's the first Star Trek movie I saw in theaters and in English as opposed to German, so that was more fun than it probably should've been. Star Trek IV is fun, Star Trek II is too depressing, Star Trek III is better -- it has some nice character moments with David's death and the destruction of the Enterprise. Star Trek V is also fun, despite the bad production. Insurrection: not boring, but nothing impressive.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Oh, why the hell not...
III (The Search for Spock) Best score, and best USE of the score. Most sweeping visuals -- I got more of a sense of the size of things in this one than I did in anything else except the final shot of the Excelsior and Enterprise from TUC. Lots of subtlety, like Janice Rand being in the docking lounge as the Enterprise pulled into its slip, and shaking her head at what Kirk had done to her this time -- stuff like that.
V (The Final Frontier) Best character moments of the series, even if the presentation suffered from severe budget cuts. My favorite phasers of all time make their appearance in this movie, as does my favorite bridge, my favorite red alert klaxon, more use of the officers' "bomber jacket", a really cool observation lounge -- even if I can't figure out where the hell it's supposed to be in the ship...
I (The Motion Picture) The orbital office, the new Enterprise, the thoroughly mixed crew -- and evidence of a more tolerant Starfleet (the Native American on the rec deck during the briefing had beads and feathers) than the one that made Ro take off her earring. A kick-ass premise that almost got lost in hasty editing and tumultuous set politics. More really nice visuals, and effective use of music.
II (The Wrath of Kahn) A good concept, with a few continuity errors (Khan's necklace, for example) and annoyingly cut scenes/plot points. Plus, Kyle was in it. I don't like how Khan's presence in the film was given away in the title. I don't like how the Reliant's bridge lighting changed from before the hijack to after. The battle scenes were nice. And I agree with Nick Meyer that the optomistic ending was a letdown.
IX (Insurrection) Beautiful story. I liked the Bak'u a lot. Theirs is a very compelling view of the universe. But the Federation's role in the whole mess was confusing, and uncharacteristic. The whole thing with Data was nice. The Son'a were a little over-the-top. And the joystick was a bad idea.
IV (The Voyage Home) Humour is always good, and I like both the premise and the execution. I just like the others better.
VI (The Undiscovered Country) This is where we start getting to movies I actively don't like. While the premise was sound, there was a lot of sloppiness in the writing that we the fans have had to rationalize (not least of which is Col. West!). The Excelsior was nice to see again, this time in good hands. I didn't like the utilitarian interiors, though. Nope, not at all. And the VFX didn't quite convey the size of the Excelsior when it got smacked by Praxis' explosion.
VIII (First Contact) Neat battle. Nice ships. Okay, that's it for what I liked about this one. The Borg were wrong, nothing of what I liked about them during TNG survived into the movie. They used to feel relentless, to me. In this one, they felt brainless. Cochrane was totally unconvincing, and not at all what we'd come to expect. He almost had an epiphany during the flight, but that went away again once he got back on the ground evidently. Also, I WISH they'd dealt with how the Phoenix got down...
VII (Generations) The Enterprise-B stuff was great. For a follow-on to that sequence, I hit 'STOP' and go read "The Captain's Daughter", by Peter David. I liked what they did to the Enterprise-D -- both the mods and the visuals of its destruction, but that didn't make up for bad storytelling. The BoP taking out the Enterprise was not believable at all, as it was only possible due to Riker and Crusher being idiots, which we know they aren't. All in all, it came across like a really good episode, not a movie. I could even point out where the commercial breaks are supposed to go. Data's make-up looked odd. And the characters did things that weren't consistent with how we knew them to behave based on the series. Also, the E-B-era uniforms were made from a different material than the ones in II-V, and they looked cheap.
Have at... --Jonah
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Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
bah! someone brought up the joystick... it was a JOKE!!
ugh.. i bet you'll never see/hear of/spot the joystick ever again, even on technical diagrams.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Lesse, hmmm, directed by Johnathan Frakes. Big old ridiculous phallic symbol pops up in the middle of the bridge and the ensign navigatrix gasps at its ample girth. I know someone's got to have a screencap. It's probably one of the most preposterous moments in Trek. No. It should never be on a diagram anywhere...
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
That can't beat the pic posted over in the Competition's forum under the title "Man Train Com" or something along those lines! LOL!
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
*Remarks at Peregrinus' choices* *angel appears on shoulder* "He's entitled to his opinion." *devil appears* "Peregrinus liked Final Frontier? That's Communist talk!"
Well, we're all different.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Ok, here they are: 1) The Wrath of Khan; (The hunt in the Mutare nebula is just brilliant and I just generally liked it). 2) First Contact ('Assimilate this!'- need I say more?) 3) The Undiscovered Country 4) The Voyage home (It's just fun..) 5) Generations (Despite what some people say, I enjoyed this one and thought it was a good cross over) 6) The Motion Picture (I was born in '86 so no chance of contaminated baby food) 7) The Search for Spock 8) Insurrection (There wasn't anything necessarily bad about it but I felt some of the humour was out of place and as for the joystick *shudder*...) 9) The Final Frontier (This is the only Trek film I would call bad. I don't think I need to remind you of the reasons.)
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with Star Trek was watching TOS when I was about six years old. From the start I really liked it and that hasn't changed a bit. 