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I know this has been discussed time and time again, but I feel it's time for an update. Here are my favorite movies, in order from best to worst.
1.(tie)First Contact --Voyage Home 2. Wrath of Khan 3. Undiscovered Country 4. Generations 5. Search for Spock 6. Motion Picture 7. Insurrection 8. Final Frontier
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[ January 28, 2002, 15:16: Message edited by: Veers ]
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I've rewatched all the movies recently so they're quite fresh in my mind.
1)First Contact 2)Wrath of Khan 3)Motion Picture (Director's Ed) 4)Voyage Home 5)Undiscovered Country 6)Generations 7)Search for Spock 8)Insurrection 9)Final Frontier
1) First Contact 2) Wrath of Khan 3) Voyage Home 4) Undiscovered Country 5) Generations 6) Insurrection 7) The Motion Picture 8) The Search for Spock 9) Final Frontier (yuck!)
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Why doesn't anyone like The Search for Spock? I think it's a great movie, what with Stealing Enterprise from Space dock, Destruction of Enterprise, all the great chemistry between everyone, Horner's kick-ass score...
I don't know, the entire movie just has this 'grand' feeling, friends risking everything to bring another back from the dead, great visuals... And, if watched back to back with ST2, they form a uber-movie which puts to same even FC.
I think the problem is that unless it's ultra-fast paced with explosions and gunfire like modern movies, people just don't like it.
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1. Undiscovered Country 2. First Contact 3. Voyage Home 4. Final Frontier 5. Wrath of Khan 6. Search for Spock 7. Generations 8. Motion Picture 9. Insurrection
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A lot of people don't like "Generations" or "Undiscovered Country," but I can't see why. Both have great special effects, they are written well, and they tie up some loose ends. Like in "Generations," they talk more about Picard's family...although they were burnt to a crisp. Soran was a great villian, and in U"ndiscovered Country," who would have thought members of Starfleet were trying to execute a coup ? They might have made for a good two-part episode on either series (TOS or TNG), but I like them how they are now as movies.
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1.) The Motion Picture* 2.) The Undiscovered Country 3.) First Contact 4.) The Search for Spock 5.) The Wrath of Khan** 6.) The Voyage Home 7.) Insurrection 8.) Generations 9.) The Final Frontier***
* Yes, it's slow... but it, in my opinion, is by far the movie with the best feeling of realism, and one of few that has a bona-fide science fiction plot.
** I thought The Search for Spock was much more "Trek" than The Wrath of Khan. Khan lacked any real depth, aside from Spock's death. Ooh, the bad guy's pissed at the good guy, what a shock. On the other hand, if I based my ratings on pure first-viewing fun, Khan would be number one. For what it's worth, a pure-fun list would go Khan, Voyage Home, First Contact, Undiscovered Country, Insurrection, Search for Spock, Generations, Motion Picture, Final Frontier.
*** If rewritten and executed better, The Final Frontier could have been near the top. I don't think we need to discuss what I mean.
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10. The Final Frontier 09. Insurrection 08. The Search for Spock 07. The Voyage Home 06. The Motion Picture (The Director's Edition) 05. The Undiscovered Country 04. Generations 03. The Wrath of Khan 02. First Contact 01. Nemesis
*note: order can and probably will change in the future*
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The films in the order I'd watch them, and why:
1. The Motion Picture DE -- Its flaws are many, but it's a movie as opposed to a TV episode masquerading as one.
2. The Undicovered County -- A nice change of pace utilizing a "whodunnit" approach. Great opening. Great climax (even if it steals wholesale from "The Manchurian Candidate"). Key problems are some out-of-character characterizations, a mystery that is no surprise at all, and out of left field literary quotes that don't really fit.
3. The Voyage Home -- Mostly harmless. A fun diversion.
4. The Wrath of Khan -- A fun film, but overrated. Feels like a TV movie of the week. Its pretensions at depth are to make allusions to literature rather than itself having something memorable to say. I find myself fast-forwarding through the scenery-chewing parts.
5. First Contact -- A good concept and nice dramatic tension somewhat undermined by out of place "humor". Suffers from the three-times-too-long anticlimax that typifies a lot of Trek films.
6. The Search for Spock -- Nice idea marred by some of the dumbest science ever seen in Star Trek and the flattest cinematography in the series.
7. The Final Frontier -- Very bad script, and Shatner's not just hammy, he's a pork dinner...but his direction's really not bad. Has a real sense of energy. Some nice cinematography is nullified by some beyond awful special effects.
8. Generations -- Weak script, unevenly paced, and shoots its wad at the end of act two instead of at the finale.
9. Insurrection -- A flat out bad script that feels like a committee decision, adolescent humor, and weak direction. I suffered through it once in a theater and will never ever watch it again.
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I remember seeing Insurrection on opening day. I was waiting all day because I thought it was going to be awesome (I was just getting into Trek). After I saw it, I said, "That was good, but not as good as First Contact." Then I saw it again and thought, "This sucks. This is crap."
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Having never seen TSFS (the horrors!) nor all of TVH (again, I see your shocked expressions) nor the TMP:DE (well, this is forgiveable, no?) my list will be abbreviated. Please don't revoke my Trekkie license.
1)TWOK. Oh, it's hardly true to TOS all right, and I'll agree that Harve Bennett is incredibly overrated and worshipped by fanboys who like their Trek with military spit-and-polish and no-smoking signs on facilities. But it's the only film that can truly be considered a classic. It's the only film that I love just as much no matter how often I watch it. Very few hours of Trek hold up this well on repeated viewing.
2)First Contact: When I saw it in theatres, I was blown away. I loved loved loved this film. Easily my number one. But I can't say time has been so kind to it, and after rewatching it two or three more times, the really rapid pacing has had a nasty habit of making the movie just fly by without drawing you in. Strong script, strong score, strong acting, and overall an exceptional portrayal of the characters we know and love. Could have been half an hour longer.
3)TUC: Decent political thriller and not an enormously short movie or anything, but it still does a spotty job at bringing us back into the fold with the characters we love; the Enterprise "family" could have been more up front and centre than it ended up being. Much as I love Christopher Plummer, Chang is a pretty lousy character, and the Shakespeare stuff is a little roughly-inserted. Shatner and Kelley are outstanding, though. In many ways, it's a movie about Kirk through the eyes of McCoy. *feels himself lapse into an Eberty vibe and stops*
4)Insurrection: Terribly underrated, but still disappointing. I walked out of the film feeling (a)cheated that it was all over-and-done-with so quickly but (b)nursing a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart because it was just so damn nice to see the TNG cast back together again. The jokes didn't strike me as as bad as they're made out to be online, nor did the VFX. And take-or-leave the Ba'ku storyline, it's still miles better than TFF.
5)Generations: Yuck. Has its bright spots, but ultimately it's two lousy villains, a lousily pulled-off Enterprise destruction and a lousily pulled-off Kirkdeath. It's a rushjob and it shows. Moore and Braga knew better.
6)TMP (non-DE): Yes. Boring. Yes. Boring.
7)TFF: I won't begin to open the "it had potential" debate because it did. But the VFX alone are bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the Uhura song number is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the reuse of TNG sets is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the pathetic finale is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. And the whole "I-feel-your-pain-cult" is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list. I feel really sorry for Shatner having to live with this, because most of the problems weren't honestly his fault. But sympathy won't raise this any higher.
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01) Probably Nemesis 02) First Contact 03) The Undiscovered Country 04) The Voyage Home 05) The Final Frontier (you heard right...) 06) Insurrection 07) Generations 08) The Wrath of Kahn and The Search for Spock (this is basicly one long movie to me) 09) The Motion Picture (i have yet to see the directors cut, however)
PS: This list re-arranges itself every time I see them again. I dont know why, but my tastes change EVERY time.
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Why is this thread called "Favourite Movie?" I mean, surely "All Trek Movies Rated in Order" or something? The title suggests one would be expected to pick, well, ONE film, but nooo, that's not going to happen around here. . .
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Also, two people have put Nemesis at the top of their list. Call me old fashioned, but isn't it traditional to, y'know, watch a film before deceiding how good it will be?
Ryan: "It has a good feeling or realism and has a real sci-plot" do not count as making a movie good. This isn't 2001. And no matter for all it's (arguable) depth, watching TMP is about as much fun as being constipated. At least TFF has some energy. TMP is the closest I've ever come to knowing what ME sufferers feel like.
Tom: "And the reuse of TNG sets is bad enough to send it down to the bottom of the list."
And yet you had TUC at number 3?
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